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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

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Mon Mar 20, 2023, 03:27 PM Mar 2023

20 Years After The Invasion Of Iraq, Americans Still Want The U.S. Involved In World Affairs

The two likely rivals for the Republican presidential nomination in 2024 both openly oppose interventionist policies in Ukraine, like providing the country with further assistance in its war against Russia. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis made waves last week when he said defending Ukraine from Russian aggression was not “vital” to American interests. In doing so, he aligned himself with former President Donald Trump. Their shared position on U.S. involvement could be taken as evidence of an isolationist realignment on the American right, especially as polling suggests Republicans are less likely than Democrats to support aiding Ukraine.

What a difference 20 years can make. Back in 2003, when the United States invaded Iraq under the leadership of Republican President George W. Bush, it was the right that favored global intervention. From the war’s start to its conclusion in 2011,1 Republicans were far more likely than Democrats to say that the U.S. made the “right decision” in putting American boots on the ground in Iraq.

Yet while partisan attitudes toward American involvement in these recent foreign conflicts have seemingly flipped, it’s unclear how the American public as a whole now feels about our country’s place in the world. Several factors make it hard to tell how much American opinion has shifted toward isolationism. Foreign policy is not only about the use of military force, after all, and public opinion remains more supportive than not of the U.S. playing a major role in global affairs. Meanwhile, the influence of political leaders and partisanship on Americans’ attitudes complicate a common narrative among political and media circles that the country wants to become less involved internationally.

Fact is, Americans have long preferred engagement in global issues. Since the 1970s, the Chicago Council on Global Affairs has asked Americans if they think it would be best for the U.S. to take an “active role” in world affairs or best to “stay out.” In 2022, 60 percent preferred an active role, while 39 percent wanted to stay out. This marked a decline in support for a more involved U.S., which had hit a recent high of 70 percent in 2018. But in the long run, the 2022 result fell right into a half-century trend.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/20-years-after-the-invasion-of-iraq-americans-still-want-the-u-s-involved-in-world-affairs/

We can be involved in world affairs. We shouldn't however invade another country under false pretenses.

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20 Years After The Invasion Of Iraq, Americans Still Want The U.S. Involved In World Affairs (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2023 OP
That article is nonsense and gibberish Fiendish Thingy Mar 2023 #1
Because Republicans care about Republicans not America madeup64 Mar 2023 #2

Fiendish Thingy

(15,544 posts)
1. That article is nonsense and gibberish
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 03:35 PM
Mar 2023

Launching an illegal war of aggression in Iraq has no similarities to the US supporting Ukraine in stopping Russia’s genocidal invasion.

Perhaps if US boots were on the ground, as in Sarajevo, some comparisons might be made, but not in this case.

This was just 538’s way of acknowledging the anniversary of the Iraq war, and creating a clickbait connection to increase readership.

madeup64

(256 posts)
2. Because Republicans care about Republicans not America
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 05:18 PM
Mar 2023

If Donald Trump was the one supporting Ukraine they would have no problem with it. Just like they had no problem with George Bush invading Iraq because he was a Republican.

If Bush would have gotten Bin Laden that's all you would have heard on Fox news for a month straight. But since Obama was president and the one who pushed for the operation that led to Bin Laden's demise many Republicans acted like he had nothing to do with it.

This comparison also leaves out the important detail that of course Republicans are okay with Iraq being invaded because they're not white and non-christian. While Russia is.

And let's not leave out the fact that Russia meddled in the 2016 election to help Donald Trump get into office in 2016 while Trump got impeached because he tried to blackmail Zelensky.

Also it's hard for Russian oligarchs to funnel money into conservative causes now with the economic sanctions which is probably a big reason why conservative media is pushing the narrative they're currently pushing.

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