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lees1975

(6,017 posts)
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:25 AM May 2023

Indictments of Trump must come, or confidence in government's ability to enforce laws will decline

https://signalpress.blogspot.com/2023/05/indictments-of-trump-must-come-or.html

This is why I Supported Biden in the Primary

The Democrats have put a lot of excellent candidates up for the Presidential nomination for several cycles now. I could have easily supported any of them in either 2016 or 2020, and no one was more disappointed than I was when Hillary lost in 2016. What tipped the balance for me, in 2020, was Biden's experience, and his addressing the issue of Trump's prior criminality, and his claims of immunity as President, supported by his corrupt Attorney General Bill Barr, even before January 6th and the document scandal. He was much more clear on this than any of the others, except, perhaps Amy Klobuchar, but in addition to his words, there is his long experience in Washington, and that gives him an advantage in choosing the kind of people to run the DOJ who will get the job done.

And this is still my expectation. I have no doubt President Biden knows what is at stake. So does just about every other Democrat in the House and Senate. But I also know that there is political positioning and maneuvering involved, it would be naive not to consider that. This is a democracy and the people have a voice. And this voice is one that is encouraging those engaged in this job to get it done and do what you promised us you would do when we voted for you.

The American people responded to the corruption and incompetence of the former President's administration and term in office by exercising their power and putting someone else in office. We did that in response to what he had done at the time, not knowing that in his last few months in office, it would get so much more corrupt and so much worse. This American is joining his voice to millions of others asking that this be done quickly and effectively, as we believe the evidence shows that it can be.

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Indictments of Trump must come, or confidence in government's ability to enforce laws will decline (Original Post) lees1975 May 2023 OP
a little late for that rampartc May 2023 #1
My intellect says no, the system will work, trust it.... lees1975 May 2023 #2
+1 rampartc May 2023 #3
Well, there is some hope that his health lees1975 May 2023 #7
+1 rampartc May 2023 #8
The repubs have been playing the long game & we don't exactly have a good record. CrispyQ May 2023 #4
"Indictments of Trump must come" .... anciano May 2023 #5
We saw this coming lees1975 May 2023 #6
It appears, on MSNBC news this evening, that criminal investigations against Trump lees1975 May 2023 #9

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
1. a little late for that
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:35 AM
May 2023

our legal system is incapable of dealing with affluent, connected criminals loke trump.

i expect the 2025 state of the union address to resemble that saddam hussien propaganda when he had hos opponents dragged out by firing squads.

lees1975

(6,017 posts)
2. My intellect says no, the system will work, trust it....
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:39 AM
May 2023

but what I've seen, and what I'm seeing, is why I'm worried.

rampartc

(5,835 posts)
3. +1
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:48 AM
May 2023

trump will be 100- years old ( and maybe appointed another 1/2 dozen supreme court justices) before his lawyers (are we still paying them?) run out of delaying tactics.

lees1975

(6,017 posts)
7. Well, there is some hope that his health
Sun May 21, 2023, 09:51 PM
May 2023

and his age will slow him down.

If this had been Obama, and it was a Republican investigation, the trials would have already happened and they'd have made sure they got juries who came out with the verdicts they wanted.

Look how fast they got Clinton to the impeachment once they had control of Congress.

CrispyQ

(38,391 posts)
4. The repubs have been playing the long game & we don't exactly have a good record.
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:17 AM
May 2023

Reagan, Bush2. There are dozens of excuses why dems didn't do anything about those two, but the end result is that the repubs have pushed the boundaries until here we stand, on the brink of fascism. It's gonna go one way or another soon, & the fight over resources that climate change bring isn't gonna help the democratic cause.

anciano

(1,544 posts)
5. "Indictments of Trump must come" ....
Sun May 21, 2023, 10:18 AM
May 2023

Agreed. Confidence and trust in the system are indispensable.
"Justice too long delayed is justice denied." --- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

lees1975

(6,017 posts)
6. We saw this coming
Sun May 21, 2023, 05:09 PM
May 2023

We do not have the luxury of conducting long investigations which leave potential criminals on the streets. In this case, we are talking about a criminal politician, not the first in American history, but arguably the worst, who is putting together a campaign to run for office again, with the openly clear intention of using that office for his own personal gain and protection. That's a slap in the face to our justice system and to the rule of law. It makes it seem as if the latter only applies to people who are not wealthy or influential enough to buy their way out of the system.

Is that the image we want people to have? That undermines the credibility of the constitution and our system of laws and justice.

And I'm wondering if we've learned from the lessons of history, prior to both world wars, if we've learned anything about how this gets started, gets going and takes over and if we still believe "It can't happen here."

lees1975

(6,017 posts)
9. It appears, on MSNBC news this evening, that criminal investigations against Trump
Mon May 22, 2023, 09:22 PM
May 2023

are ramping up and there's at least one "expert" who says he'll wind up in jail, which is where he belongs.

I hate to be a cynic, I really want to believe he'll be brought to justice. But he's gotten away with just a slap on the wrist for every hard core crime he has committed, and just a few slap on the wrist fines for massive fraud. He may have actually also gotten away with murder, though the dubious circumstances of Jeffrey Epstein's suicide under the Trump justice department watch.

So we'll see.

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