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OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:23 AM Jun 2013

Meet the Refreshing Evangelical Who’s Leading a Revival—of “the Common Good”

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Pastor Jim Wallis has been arrested for protesting the Keystone XL pipeline, builds bridges between polarized politicians, and pushes Christians to worry less about gay marriage and more about justice. And even better—there’s a whole new generation following his lead.

Jim Wallis surprises people. He’s very much the evangelical pastor, with infectious warmth and an enthusiasm for preaching. But the founder and editor of Sojourners magazine is not out to convert people. He takes the teachings of Jesus seriously, challenging Christians to think first of justice for the poor and oppressed and to worry less about abortion and gay marriage. An inclusive “common good” is the core idea of his new book, On God’s Side: What Religion Forgets and Politics Hasn’t Learned About Serving the Common Good.

For Wallis, doing this takes more than talk. He stands with people losing their homes to foreclosure and those opposing the Keystone pipeline—he’s been arrested nearly two dozen times. He’s served as an adviser to President Obama and appeared on Jon Stewart’s “The Daily Show,” where he called giant Wall Street executive pay packages “a sin of Biblical proportions.”



Sarah van Gelder: There’s a lot of emphasis on poverty in your book. I know that has a very solid theological foundation, but perhaps not one that is widely shared across the Christian faith. So I’m wondering if you can talk about the different ways people come at that question, and also about the statement of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.: “True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar ... it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring.”

Wallis: King is right; this is about justice.

I realized we'd lost something very foundational, the ancient idea called the common good. ... This idea is in all of our religious traditions, but it's also in our secular democratic traditions.
Too many people are hauling drowning people out of the river—which is a good thing to do—but not sending somebody upstream to find out who or what’s throwing them in. A lot of people are still trying to work with the symptoms and the victims—which is wonderful and compassionate—but now we need to look at the causes.

I was at World Vision yesterday, and I said, I’m hearing you say, “Don’t just give someone a fish, teach them how to fish.” I agree with that. Here’s another question: Who owns the pond? And who is controlling what’s happening to the fish, the ecosystem, and the water?


FULL INTERVIEW @ Yes! Magazine HERE: http://www.yesmagazine.org/issues/love-and-the-apocalypse/jim-wallis-the-common-good-in-a-violent-world



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Meet the Refreshing Evangelical Who’s Leading a Revival—of “the Common Good” (Original Post) OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 OP
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Wow, very self indulgent materials. Wallis is a bigot who is opposed to equal rights for some Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #2
Acknowledged. He may be moving in the right direction, however... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #3
His words are just things he says, not meanigful Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #7
That's fair. I agree with that. n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #8
Also... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #5
So you agree with them that there are no poor among those minorities they attack? Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #9
I agree that until they trade in their own exorbitant wealth... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #11
Wallis says 'social justice' but Wallis lives differently: Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #13
$160K is not so outrageous. That is all. nt Lucky Luciano Jun 2013 #14
a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. I am personally ready even roguevalley Jun 2013 #15
That's me. I'm not religious at all... OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #17
back at you, darling roguevalley Jun 2013 #18
Refreshing! Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #4
2008 vs. 2013 OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #6
Why does he not address his years of attaks on us and insistence that marriage must never Bluenorthwest Jun 2013 #10
No, it doesn't bug me. See my post #11. n/t OneGrassRoot Jun 2013 #12
i've known about wallis for a long time. i respect him. mopinko Jun 2013 #16
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
2. Wow, very self indulgent materials. Wallis is a bigot who is opposed to equal rights for some
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:33 AM
Jun 2013

minorities. He is a mega rich preacher who hates gay people.
Enjoy your Prophet, Straights. He is your guy, the Rick Warren of your spotted hearts.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
3. Acknowledged. He may be moving in the right direction, however...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:38 AM
Jun 2013

In an April 2013 interview with Huffington Post:

On the growing support for same-sex marriage:

We are losing marriage in this society. I'm worried about that -- among low income people, but all people. How do we commit liberals and conservatives to re-covenanting marriage, reestablishing, renewing marriage?

I think we should include same-sex couples in that renewal of marriage, [but] I want to talk marriage first. Marriage needs some strengthening. Let's start with marriage, and then I think we have to talk about, now, how to include same-sex couples in that deeper understanding of marriage. I want a deeper commitment to marriage that is more and more inclusive, and that's where I think the country is going.

When pushed on whether he specifically supports same-sex marriage:

Yes. [This marks a change from his position as recently as 2008.]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/jim-wallis-faith-politics-immigration_n_3024458.html



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
7. His words are just things he says, not meanigful
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:47 AM
Jun 2013

"I don't think the sacrament of marriage should be changed." He said. Now he has many plans for what he thinks marriage needs. He can see the time for his bigotry is past and to survive as a profit making conman, he has to say the opposite of what he said for years and years.
Just saying. The certainty with which religious men like Wallis spoke against us for years was a vile action. Wallis and his community will have to do mighty amends making to make up for the harm they have done to innocent people for their own profit and power.
Those years of hate mongering do not vanish when they become inconvenient to the mongers.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
5. Also...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:41 AM
Jun 2013

While I disagree with many things Pope Francis believes and advocates, I do applaud the focus he has had regarding poverty and economic justice. Same with Jim Wallis.

I will continue to point out the good higher-profile religious people are doing (and saying) -- such as the Pope and Jim Wallis -- being mindful of the harm they also cause with their stance on social equality issues such as marriage equality. My hope is that they will change their views on many issues and realize justice is justice and equality is equality...for everyone.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
9. So you agree with them that there are no poor among those minorities they attack?
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:50 AM
Jun 2013

You agree with them that discrimination and injustice does not create poverty for gay people? The shit done to us can be done with impunity while still claiming to care about some others? I don't agree. Frank and Jim hate some of the poor so much that they hold them up and say 'they are an attack on God'.
Is it ok to hate the gay poor if your Parda gowns are nice enough? I hear Wallis has a jet too.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
11. I agree that until they trade in their own exorbitant wealth...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:02 AM
Jun 2013

personally and via their business institutions (I consider The Vatican the largest corporation on the planet), their words are hollow.

I'm not as familiar as you with every single thing they have said that has been harmful about various groups of people, including gay people. I'm grateful to you for being familiar -- and I realize it's because it affects you directly and thus impacts you tremendously -- and for bringing it to our attention.

Still, for high-profile people to be speaking more about economic injustice is, to me -- my own personal opinion -- a step in the right direction.

I do not put anyone on a pedestal. I simply have not found many people with a public platform who have NOT caused harm in some way via their words and/or deeds. (Maybe Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren are beyond reproach; I'm not familiar with every single vote nor every single thing they have ever said or believed, however.)

So, it's my choice to applaud what I feel are positive steps, pushing for more of that, while also supporting holding their feet to the fire about the harm they're causing.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. Wallis says 'social justice' but Wallis lives differently:
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 10:33 AM
Jun 2013

Wallis' 2009 compensation from Sojourners was $161,835 as head of a non-profit, non-tax paying organization dedicated to "articulate the biblical call to social justice". Cute stuff. Rich, rich man rich because of his anti gay work and his preaching about the faults he sees in other people. $161,835. Praise the Lord!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
15. a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. I am personally ready even
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jun 2013

though I loathe evangelical philosophy to welcome those who try.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
17. That's me. I'm not religious at all...
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jun 2013

and have had much more opportunity to criticize religious "leaders" than applaud them.

I see signs of hope in many ways now in that regard.



 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
4. Refreshing!
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:40 AM
Jun 2013

"I don't think the sacrament of marriage should be changed. Some people say that Jesus didn't talk about homosexuality, and that's technically true. But marriage is all through the Bible, and it's not gender-neutral.

I have never done a blessing for a same-sex couple. I've never been asked to do one. I'm not sure that I would."
Jim 'Refreshing' Wallis, the least bigoted Evangelical!!!!
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2008/may/9.52.html?start=1

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
6. 2008 vs. 2013
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:44 AM
Jun 2013

I believe people can change. We shall see. Here is my other comment posted above in reply to you, Bluenorthwest.


I'm reposting what I posted above from the 2013 interview.

On the growing support for same-sex marriage:

We are losing marriage in this society. I'm worried about that -- among low income people, but all people. How do we commit liberals and conservatives to re-covenanting marriage, reestablishing, renewing marriage?

I think we should include same-sex couples in that renewal of marriage, [but] I want to talk marriage first. Marriage needs some strengthening. Let's start with marriage, and then I think we have to talk about, now, how to include same-sex couples in that deeper understanding of marriage. I want a deeper commitment to marriage that is more and more inclusive, and that's where I think the country is going.

When pushed on whether he specifically supports same-sex marriage:

Yes. [This marks a change from his position as recently as 2008.]


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/05/jim-wallis-faith-politics-immigration_n_3024458.html

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
10. Why does he not address his years of attaks on us and insistence that marriage must never
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 09:57 AM
Jun 2013

be made inclusive?
Where is the begging for forgiveness? Where is the making of amends? All I see is some guy muttering a few words after decades of vicious sermons against my family. I see Wallis wanting his gig to continue in spite of his hate going out of style.
I think the 'faith community' should get new leaders and reject the old hate mongers if they want to be seen as less hateful.
Francis says my family is an attack on God. I find that to be offensive in the extreme. Sorry if that bugs you.

mopinko

(70,076 posts)
16. i've known about wallis for a long time. i respect him.
Sun Jun 23, 2013, 11:46 AM
Jun 2013

he used to be on chicago public radio all the time, a consistent voice for social justice in the face of religious intolerance.
he is a very good man who has stuck his neck out a very long way.
it is a shame he isn't prefect. he has much to teach us all.

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