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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:28 PM Mar 2014

Clinton's Hawkish Appraisal Of Crimea Betrays Motives

By Jay Kuten

In the US, in the 1960s, psychologists often used the Rorschach test, a series of 10 inkblots to which patients would respond by "projecting" their underlying motivations.

A joke from that era has a psychologist administering the test to a patient. As each card is presented, the patient sees something sexual.

Finally, the therapist says, "You seem to be obsessed with sex." And the patient replies: "Me? Doctor, you're the one showing the dirty pictures."

The ambiguity of events in Ukraine and the subsequent Russian takeover of Crimea are today's Rorschach, with politicians on all sides responding in ways that say more about them than about the facts or the history that led up to these events.

So, for example, Hilary Clinton, former First Lady, former US Senator, former Secretary of State and now presumptive front-runner for the Democratic nomination for President in 2016, compared Putin's bloodless occupation of the Crimea on grounds of protecting Russians there to Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia and Poland.

As has happened before, Mrs Clinton has her facts and her history mixed up .

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wanganui-chronicle/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503423&objectid=11218198

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Clinton's Hawkish Appraisal Of Crimea Betrays Motives (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2014 OP
Someone's opinion... OKNancy Mar 2014 #1
God forbid one might have an 'opinion', eh? If threads could only be locked Purveyor Mar 2014 #2
I never wrote a thing about locking OKNancy Mar 2014 #3
Oh look... drivel. nt DURHAM D Mar 2014 #4
She's not confused. Clinton brought the wife of PNAC co-founder on board at the State Department Catherina Mar 2014 #5
^ Wilms Mar 2014 #6

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
1. Someone's opinion...
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:44 PM
Mar 2014

whatever.

Typical twisting of what she said. She said Putin was copying Hitler's move of entering neighboring countries under the guise of protecting his citizens.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
2. God forbid one might have an 'opinion', eh? If threads could only be locked
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:53 PM
Mar 2014

for such an indiscretion what a better place this would be.

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
3. I never wrote a thing about locking
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 06:57 PM
Mar 2014

or censoring. I do dismiss this as someone's opinion and I think they are wrong in their interpretation of what Clinton said.
But thanks for the reply. It was enlightening.

Catherina

(35,568 posts)
5. She's not confused. Clinton brought the wife of PNAC co-founder on board at the State Department
Sat Mar 15, 2014, 08:10 PM
Mar 2014

Hillary knows what she's doing, what she's supporting and that's exactly why so many Democrats can't stand her.

She brought PNAC Nuland on board. Nuland is the Assistant Secretary of State who's been up to her neck agitating things in Ukraine, the same one who was intercepted on that "Fuck the EU" call where she was saying who should lead Ukraine after they got the President out. In the call she definitely knew some of them were neonazis because she said they should be kept to the side later. Look at the people who rushed to Ukraine during the demonstrations to get their photo ops, the top 2 were neocon Nuland, Dick Cheney's former advisor and McCain.

This is a repost:



Wife of PNAC co-counder, Victoria Nuland, says US invested $5 Billion in 'The Development of Ukrainian "Democratic Institutions"'

“Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has ... invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.... The reforms that the IMF insists on are necessary for the long-term economic health of the country. A new deal with the IMF would also send a positive signal to private markets ... it would be a huge shame to see five years’ worth of work and preparation go to waste if the AA is not signed in the near future. So it is time to finish the job.” Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs at the State Department, wife of PNAC co-founder Robert Kagan

In other words, welcome to the EU Austerity club – and get in line behind Greece, Spain, Portugal, Ireland and Italy for a strong dose of IMF shock therapy.

This is the same woman who was running back and forth to Ukraine passing out cookies to the violent protesters and egging them in in the finest Florida Bush-mob tradition. This picture was snappedy before the intercepted phone call on unsecure cell phone between her and the US Ambassador in Ukraine discussing which of their rent-a-mob leaders should take the reins later and "fuck the EU" if they didn't like it because we'll get the UN to glue it all together for us.)


Victoria Nuland handing out cookies to protesters in Kiev

Her remarks were made at an even sponsored by Chevron and ExxonMobil and stacked with Freedom House, NED types.




McCain, one the original neocons, has been very busy too

John McCain at the Atlantic Council on December 19th:

“Fifth, if Ukraine’s political crisis persists or deepens, which is a real possibility, we must support creative Ukrainian efforts to resolve it. Senator Murphy and I heard a few such ideas last weekend – from holding early elections, as the opposition is now demanding, to the institution of a technocratic government with a mandate to make the difficult reforms required for Ukraine’s long-term economic health and sustainable development.”

http://www.mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=f85d0287-b3a1-48bf-a554-232797f9d07a




DUer Koko tried to sound the bell about Nuland.

Thursday, 19 May 2011
The strange appointment of Victoria Nuland as State Department Spokesperson
By Patricia H. Kushlis

Update: 7/12/2013 - Toria grilled about Benghazi role at Senate Foreign Relations Committee confirmation hearing today for her next high level position: Assistant Secretary of State for Europe
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Is Hillary asleep at the switch? What is going on here?

Earlier this week, Josh Rogin at FP and Eric Martin at Progressive Realist both flagged the curious appointment of Victoria Nuland as the next State Department Spokesperson to fill P.J. Crowley’s shoes.
Martin questions whether this has foreign policy implications, in particular the replacement of an anti-torture appointee with someone who served as Principal Deputy National Security Advisor to Vice President Cheney.

Rogin doesn’t directly raise potential administration policy shifts but does point out that once upon a time Nuland was Strobe Talbott’s Chief of Staff when he was Deputy Secretary of State during the Clinton Administration and that Talbott had thought very highly of her at the time and still does. In fact, he, according to Rogin, praised her to the hilt in an interview about the pending appointment. So the seemingly amoral Nuland, we’re led to believe, can and will do anyone’s bidding and do it well – in short, a consummate career diplomat.

Why?

But why would Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration agree to appoint to this politically sensitive position someone who willingly served such a controversial figure in suppporting and implementing the “war on terror” and all the baggage that comes with it? Furthermore, how reliable is a Talbott reference anyway? After all, I understand that he just helped his friend Robert Kagan, Nuland’s neocon husband, get a job at Brookings and Talbott is also a friend of neocon writer Marc Gerecht, the husband of Diane Zeleny who also just latched onto a likely sweetheart deal sort of appointment as Head of External Relations and Congressional Affairs at the Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG). Whether Zeleny deserves or is qualified for the position or not.

From what I know about the Department, an FSO doesn’t just get detailed to the staff of a highly charged and ideological Vice President unless that detailee agrees to follow the boss’s dictates. Cheney’s were all too often forceful and odious. Furthermore, does anyone really think that Cheney –with his penchant for super loyalty and secrecy - would have ever accepted Nuland (or anyone else) for the position without some kind of loyalty test?
Surely the State Department under Hillary Clinton could have found equally (or likely even better) qualified career candidates who do not carry Nuland’s political baggage.

Behind the scenes trade off?
......Continued at the Link.....

http://whirledview.typepad.com/whirledview/2011/05/the-strange-appointment-of-victoria-nuland-as-states-spokesperson.html

Taken from http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024461021#post2

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