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Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
1. Ohhhh Kayyyy...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:35 AM
Jun 2013

...so, any news on "clarification"? Mueller's answer is consistent with everything I've read about so far. Don't know what Nadler is referring to, so I guess I'll just have to wait.

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
2. Fairly clear that Nadler is saying the question is being answered one way in public...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:42 AM
Jun 2013

and completely differently behind closed doors. And he goes to some pains to assure us he isn't confusing the issues.

He ends with tasking Muller to find out which is correct: the public version or the private version.

Benton D Struckcheon

(2,347 posts)
3. Yes, I know. That's pretty clear, and Nadler's a very smart lawyer.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jun 2013

So, any news after this, or are we all just hanging?

Junkdrawer

(27,993 posts)
4. My bet: the House leadership is probably working him over pretty heavy right now...
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jun 2013

saying that Muller's off hand "not classified" isn't good enough to break secrecy rules.

Wouldn't doubt that the President has called, too.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
14. That is what I understand.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 03:00 AM
Jun 2013

Alternatively, the people who briefed Congress in private are telling a different story from Mueller's because Mueller does not work at a low enough level to really know how the program operates in practice. Mueller may have misconceptions about the program and how it functions. The people who briefed Congress may know the truth and it may be worse than Mueller thinks.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
6. Oh come on, everyone knows they can listen into whatever they want or look at anything they want to.
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 12:52 PM
Jun 2013

Anyone who didn't think this was happening, must have been born yesterday. We have a police-state like alphabet soup and a ton of private contractors eating at the edges of the soup. Lot's of money and looking the other way. They are only dealing with this now because it became public and very splashy in the Guardian (which is not a USA news agency). They have been doing this spy game since the beginning of time.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
8. I didn't say it makes it right, but to think it hasn't been happening for a long while now,
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:16 PM
Jun 2013

one would be crazy to think less...

They created the 4th Ammendment and have worked around the edges of that right so much that it practically non-existent.

On the other hand, everyone has their hands in the cookie jar.. Private companies, govt, foreign countries etc. There was a reason OWS had no "leaders" and did everything in the "open". Because they knew and know that there would be instigators, police agencies, infiltrators, and monitoring (all of which occurred) and they were shut down in a similar manner across the nation by Homeland Security tactics.

Also, the younger generation, doesn't really hide a damned thing. They post just about anything and everything anyway, have their movements catalogued and advertised to constantly.... I'm not lying when I say I mention something on a phone call, and all of a sudden I have an e-mail in my in box advertising to something very similar. I'd say the way around the mega-corp/ govt has been the use of the systems against them. Before the camera phone or a digital camera that saved every picture to a network in case the police confiscated their camera, all of the police brutality and clamp down on citizens was hear say. We've come a long way since the Rodney King beating grainy video popped up.

Again, I don't think its right, but the system is not going to shut itself down. It mainly operates on computer controlled commands shifting thru multiple sources of data to pin point items of interest of security risks. Can if be used against someone who is specifically targeted for some reason, of course. Should it, no. But I have no delusions that these hearings or what not will do a damned thing about the programs that have been set up and still operating as we speak.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. Segregation, women unable to vote, were 'happening or a long time
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 03:34 PM
Jun 2013

and LEGAL. Thank the gods we didn't just yawn and say 'well that's been happening for a long time so what'?

Why does it matter how long it's been happening, isn't that ALL THE MORE reason to STOP IT. It has never been on this scale and unless it's stopped, as always happens with things that have been 'going on for a long time', it will only get worse.

It's an open sore on our democracy and it's been allowed to fester. The sooner it gets treated the better or else it will be too late.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
15. Thanks. Great post. My feelings precisely.
Tue Jun 18, 2013, 03:02 AM
Jun 2013

"an open sore on democracy"

Washington, D.C. should rename their baseball team, "The Hypocrites."

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
11. That doesn't mitigate my disgust at all. So what if people knew it was happening, and happening
Sun Jun 16, 2013, 06:25 PM
Jun 2013

for a long time. I am glad people are pissed off enough to complain. They should be pissed off, and they should complain. If you accept that all this is out of your control, and any effort to push back is futile, then don't push back yourself.

I am glad there are people out there who don't feel that way.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
12. I just knew he was a Democrat..
Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:48 AM
Jun 2013

although I didn't know until I checked after watching the video.(He's even in my state.)
I didn't know because of the question he was asking, but just that the guy seemed so intelligent. And seems to have a certain self-aware. Pretty subjective, I guess.

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