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Enrique
(27,461 posts)means 7% starvation?
pffshht
(79 posts)But the 7% figure is pure book-cooking. There are a lot more unemployed people than the official "percent unemployment" figure reported.
The estimates of the "real" figure vary widely, from 11% at the lowest to over 20% at the highest.
We could have "0% unemployment" tomorrow if the government just stopped paying anybody unemployment benefits altogether. (Hard to do in today's political climate, but rest assured that ALEC is working on it...)
Hydra
(14,459 posts)And good contribution. The other way we'll get to 0% unemployment is if various people get starved out. They're working on that too.
niyad
(113,055 posts)drynberg
(1,648 posts)People hungery...all they got is forks and knives...now, this could get really ugly...
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)and where are the links to your stats? i question why you inserted 40-50% african american male youth when the majority of persons hungry are white.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)I don't think "the majority of persons hungry are white" is accurate. I think the correct statement is "the majority of food stamp recipients are white" - a very different statement.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Yet another narcissitic, sociopathic politician.
sociopath
? Use Sociopath in a sentence
so·ci·o·path
[soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] Show IPA
noun Psychiatry.
a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
calimary
(81,110 posts)Certainly nails it across the board on the GOP.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)Nails, board, yeah. Exactly!
caledesi
(11,903 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)Oh, wait, you weren't, and even if you were, my father was a sociopath so I don't actually care what you say about him.
He died penniless and no one found him (in Arizona) for 2 months. Would that justice were meted out so well in THESE situations, eh?.
Please, no condolences. I had reconciled my difficulties with him and forgiven him in therapy. I hadn't actually seen him in about 20 years when I found out. I did my best not to chuckle when I heard about it. It was, as they say, a fitting end to a waste of a life.
Brigid
(17,621 posts)Let sociopaths like Kramer try living on the "generosity" of SNAP benefits. They couldn't do it for any length of time.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)the House hasn't worked much at all in the last 5+ years.
If the House Republicans worked for my company, they would have been fired a long time ago. (I don't have a company, but I was fantasizing about how it would feel to kick them out for attitude, mouthiness, idleness, lying, cheating, bigotry and downright internal ugliness and nastiness.)
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)worked for any ordinary job, they would've been fired on the 1st day.
No Vested Interest
(5,164 posts)apparently have no shame.
They justify there actions and statements by believing they have worked hard and deserve all they have.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)So, no problemo for Crammer.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)spewing BS for ya.
efhmc
(14,723 posts)empathy for others? I will bet he considers himself a good Christian and yet he hasn't the tiniest concept of the love and acceptance of others which was the message Christ preached.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)That's so passe. Now it's the cult of success. You stole it, you earned it, God loves you.
True Golden Calf. You can't make this stuff up.
calimary
(81,110 posts)Not the real one. The real one drove mendacious, heartless, greedy, selfish, moneygrubbing assholes like them OUT of the Temple.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Blanks
(4,835 posts)Jesus tells the story of the master that gave three of them a 'unit' of money.
1 invested with a tenfold return
2 invested with a fivefold return
3 buried his money
Master returns and takes the 'buried money' dude's unit and gives it to Mr. Tenfold return.
I'm pretty sure I read that in the gospel. Don't make me look it up. I may have paraphrased it just a tiny bit, but i believe that's the message. It's not really about money I'm told, but actually about doing something with Gods gifts (talents etc).
On edit: provided link.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_talents_or_minas
Hydra
(14,459 posts)It's a very odd passage, especially this part:
24 Then he that had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee, that thou art a hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strewed.
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth. Lo, there thou hast what is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strewed.
27 Thou ought therefore to have placed my money with the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with interest.
God wants you to be a wicked looter? Gotta wonder at the disciples some days.
Blanks
(4,835 posts)is that two different disciples told the story very differently.
These two completely different passages (of the same story) is what makes it ok for conservatives to just make up shit to 'make a point'.
However, according to this kind of thinking Reagan's 'welfare queen' deserved not just the amount that she had bilked from the government, but she was deserving of the money that the wealthy have stored up in any non-interest bearing off-shore accounts.
You'd think the religious right would be behind this character that existed only in Reagan's imagination. Perhaps that's why you don't see them 'whipping out' these scriptures very often.
susanr516
(1,425 posts)Attributed to Paul, 2 Thessalonians 3:10-- For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
Heartless, hateful Christians like Cramer are why I'm an atheist. The most hateful, racist things I've ever heard were spoken by "fine Christian" men and women. If there is a God, and people like Cramer are the ones going to heaven, then I'll be happier in hell with my friends.
niyad
(113,055 posts)"christian self-sufficiency" or some such codswallop.
one would think that any self-respecting deity would smite these jerks for behaving as they do in the name of that deity.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)The one who was think into election fraud in 2004?
tavalon
(27,985 posts)He is a sociopath. The halls of Congress are chock full of them. Not all of them, but I think if you add in lobbyists, it's certainly a majority of them.
I can pick out sociopaths within minutes of speaking with them. It comes from living with one for too damn long. Anyway, the first time I met Skinner, I remember thinking, "Wow, he lives in DC but he doesn't appear to have any personality disorders, including sociopathy". I know that I put that in quotes but it's probably a paraphrase. Thoughts usually flit rather than narrate.
dmosh42
(2,217 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)Sitting on their High Horses, beyond approach, snubbing their noses at the common person. Asking us to please not bother their day by asking for handouts or any other disagreeable gestures. A pathetic lot who should realize that they could be knocked down from their thrones, come election day.
calimary
(81,110 posts)Glad you're here! You've sure nailed that one! I was just watching Claire McCaskill calling what the republi-CONS are doing "throwing a tantrum." YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! FINALLY!!!!! Call it like it is, Democrats! These are nothing but adult-size spoiled-brat three-year-olds throwing a tantrum in the middle of the cereal aisle at the grocery store because Mommy wouldn't buy them five boxes of Cocoa Puffs.
Next: I still hope to hear these assholes labeled "Sore Losermen." Because that's what they ARE. They don't get their way, so they throw temper tantrums. They're sore losers because they failed to win the White House with their precious one-percenter vulture/vampire capitalist king and his smug, haughty, arrogant queen. They're sore losers because they failed to win the Senate. They're sore losers because they couldn't keep the White House after bush/cheney left it ransacked and smeared with shit. They shoved it in our faces constantly after bush/cheney stole the White House in 2000. I want to see THEM wear that label around for awhile now. They've certainly earned it!!!
yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)I could rave on and on about Republicans, but it will just bring me down to their level, as haters.
Yui Yoshida
MADem
(135,425 posts)That bastard looks like he hasn't missed a meal, and we know they haven't done any damned work since Obama was elected.
calimary
(81,110 posts)And aren't they about to take off for ANOTHER break? GEEZ, nice "work" if you can get it...
MADem
(135,425 posts)What do we expect from a bunch of badly behaved children--they whine all day, make a huge mess, eat, sleep, crap, don't work, and demand "recess" on a regular basis!!
And these ARE badly behaved kids....they don't even do their homework!!
I'd like to keep them all after school and play some "recess" with them--instead of playing "kick ball" with the big red rubber ball, maybe we could play some "kick ass" and teach 'em how to do their damn jobs!
I think we should treat them like they would like to treat the American worker, and pay them "by the piece." For every piece of legislation they pass, we'll give them a few bucks. No ticket, no laundry, pals!!
The CCC
(463 posts)Stupid Stupid Stupid repuke. That verse is about the idle rich.
calimary
(81,110 posts)Glad to have you with us!
There've been lots of other DUers pointing out, quite correctly, that it'd be one thing if assholes like this actually worked for a living, themselves. But their side of the aisle is nothing but 200+ LAZY MOOCHERS. All take. And that's all.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Just heard this guy being interviewed by Ed Schultz.
Just Picking On the Poor: The Facts and the Faces of Cutting SNAP
by Jim Wallis 09-19-2013 | 12:22pm
Today, the House of Representatives votes on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), formerly food stamps. The proposal would cut SNAP by nearly $40 billion over the next 10 years. These cuts would hurt millions of people, namely seniors and the poorest among us. But it will most heavily affect low-income families with children where the parent(s) work for a living but dont make enough to adequately feed their families. Working families with kids are 72 percent of all SNAP beneficiaries.
According to the Census Bureau, food stamps kept 4 million people out of poverty last year. The Congressional Budget Office reports that the House proposal would cut assistance to nearly 4 million low-income people in 2014 and an average of 3 million more each year for the next decade. Christian leaders across the evangelical, Catholic, Protestant, African-American, Hispanic, and Asian-American church spectrum are reacting with moral outrage at this assault on the people that Jesus specifically instructs us to protect
...................
Finally, for politicians to defend these SNAP cuts because of our need to cut spending in general is un-credible and incredible.
These same politicians are not willing to go to where the real money is: the Pentagon budget, which everyone knows to be the most wasteful in government spending, or the myriad subsidies to corporations, including agribusiness subsides to members of Congress who will be voting to cut SNAP for the poor.
Tea Party-elected Rep. Stephen Fincher, (R-Tenn.), who likes to bolster his anti-poor rhetoric with misused Bible verses, collected $3.5 million in farm subsidies between 1999 and 2012, according to the New York Times. Fincher is helping to lead the effort to cut food stamps to working families with children by illogically quoting: The one who is unwilling to work should not eat, all the while collecting millions of dollars in agricultural subsidies. Congressman Fincher's position is hypocritical and it's this kind of hypocrisy that makes Christians look bad and turns young people away from the church.
http://sojo.net/blogs/2013/09/19/just-picking-poor-facts-and-faces-cutting-snap
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)When I am told this by Republicans I ask them, "So the idle rich shouldn't be allowed to eat?"
They change the subject.
ck4829
(35,038 posts)So they're... (deep breath) COMMUNISTS!
/Tea Party lunacy
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Which would more than negate all their private charity and donations.
Goalie49009
(748 posts)Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Historic NY
(37,449 posts)kill off potential new voters by starving them. These people are freaking nuts, turning the country back to the 19th century work houses.
IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)if they can't pass a budget, or any useful legislation, then they don't get paid. How about that?
Too bad they're the ones who make the rules.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)whining that he only makes $174,000.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)IronLionZion
(45,380 posts)and get some of that. I blame the insufficient campaign financing reforms
Initech
(100,038 posts)calimary
(81,110 posts)Because he can't possibly be a follower of Christ if he turns his back on those whom Christ described as "the least of My brethren."
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Cry me a river, fuckwad!
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Maybe they, and disabled Vets, can beg on the streets for FOOD?
tavalon
(27,985 posts)It breaks my heart that I can't help them all.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)RebelOne
(30,947 posts)I checked into receiving food stamps and they only wanted to give me $35 a month. I am debating on whether that pittance is worth the trouble.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)So he doesn't care about the rest of the country.
Check your Congressional district
http://halfinten.org/issues/articles/interactive-map-2012-poverty-data-by-congressional-district/
stewert
(3,509 posts)I posted this on his facebook page:
You should be kicked out of Congress and made to live on food stamps for saying the disabled, elderly, and children should work to eat. You only work 126 days a year, so you should not eat for the other 230, pal.
Within 30 seconds it was deleted, he must have someone sitting there deleting every comment made.
nyquil_man
(1,443 posts)He'd get paid even more than he does now.
Cream rises to the top, but so do pieces of shit.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)He gets more days off than he works. The house is always on leave of absence. Kevin honey, you are underwhelming.
maveric56
(137 posts)I've been looking for the past 18 months with no bites. Fifty seven years old and I feel unemployable.
This guy is a super douche bag.
Kensan
(180 posts)Of the 126 days this Congress has "worked", they spent almost 1/3 of those days trying to repeal the ACA legislation and spewing lies in front of any microphone they could see. I'm sure they spent a few more trying to name post offices and a whole slew of things after their patron dead holy person, St. Ronald Reagan. They sure as hell wasted a lot of time filming lousy commercials that are shown repeatedly.
Unbelievable the spite some of our elected "leaders" show towards people in this country. Not talking about constituents...they don't have an ounce of compassion for another person as a living human being. You don't get any attention unless you can "make it rain" to their campaign PAC's or provide the sweetheart job once they leave public service.
eShirl
(18,479 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Loge23
(3,922 posts)@RepKevinCramer
Disgusting pig!
BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)and the sweat shops are begging for cheap labor. Toddlers in diapers need not apply...sorry babies, you can starve.
WeRQ4U
(4,212 posts)His state has very little poverty. But don't let that fool you. There are a metric shit ton of teabilly assholes here. This is their guy. And they wouldn't give a shit if their state was filled with poverty-stricken children. The only social programs they care about are the farm bills.
Demoiselle
(6,787 posts)All my people are from there. My father's family have all been Democrats since the first awful depression in the Farm Belt in the '20's. I agree with you about the metric ton...BUT, the state used to produce some pretty decent Democrats as well.
It always hurts when I read stuff like this. There was a point when even "conservative" Americans had a certain decency threshold. I'm afraid the Right-wingers have cornered the market in Convincing Lies and Bullshit.
WeRQ4U
(4,212 posts)Hell, I'm obviously one of them.
The problem is that we are becoming fewer and fewer. It's almost impossible to run a good DEM campaign in this state nowadays. That's particularly what made Heidi's win this past session so amazing.
tanyev
(42,516 posts)Matthew 25
34 Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.
37 Then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?
40 The King will reply, Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.
41 Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.
44 They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?
45 He will reply, Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.
Mc Mike
(9,111 posts)tavalon
(27,985 posts)it's been decades since vacation bible school and I didn't feel like looking it up. Thanks.
pitbullgirl1965
(564 posts)They've used their Bible to justify genocide, theft of lands, and destroying *Native Americans tribes to support of slavery, *justify Jim Crow laws, animal abuse, child abuse, spousal abuse, destroying the environment and those who depend on it animals and people, the ongoing war on women,GLTB, POC, I could go on and on.
I try to be tolerant, but damn I'm sick of them and I'm sick of the "Oh but they aren't Real Christians!!(tm)
It's a cop out and only serves to make you feel better, not non -Christians. Yeah, they are, very much so.
And when someone tells me they're a Christian, I automatically assume they're are intolerant wingnuts.
*yes it happened centuries ago but its effects are still felt and they haven't let up on their racism.
susanr516
(1,425 posts)I am sick to death of holier than thou, hypocritical, racist, classist, Christians. And before any Christian PMs me about why I'm wrong, I would tell him/her to read Matthew 23 first.
Bluzmann57
(12,336 posts)Fuck you. Blow it out your ass.
That is all.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)red dog 1
(27,771 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:27 PM - Edit history (1)
Q) How many Tea Party members does it take to change a light bulb?
A) None. When they come across a dim bulb, they run it for Congress.
hue
(4,949 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)bhikkhu
(10,711 posts)...if the repugs wanted to decrease the food stamp roles, the best way to do it would be raise the minimum wage, so people with jobs could afford to eat.
.086% is how much of the Budget The SNAP Program (Food Stamps) takes up. And of all the BS our tax dollars pay for and does not pay for I am proud that some of my money goes to help the needy and less fortunate among us.
Mnemosyne
(21,363 posts)Beartracks
(12,797 posts)... that either one of those traits should be a disqualifier to elected office.
I don't think even a regular Republican voter would want someone in office who purposely seeks to starve children, the elderly, and the disabled; NOR should they want someone in office who is so blindingly ignorant of the way government programs operate and/or serve the people. Really -- if you're going to support or vote on the defunding of government programs, you should actually know what it is they do and who and how they serve the public. In other words: do your homework.
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GoCubsGo
(32,074 posts)My congressman, Joe "You Lie" Wilson, is a classic example of that.
As for the "regular republican voter", they may not purposely seek to starve children, but they generally don't give a shit if those kids do starve, particularly if they are poor and/or a minority. A lot of them have this Dominionist mentality, which preaches that if your life is shitty, it's because you're a bad person, and deserve your shitty life, because God hates you.
tclambert
(11,084 posts)"I'm rich. God must love me. I must be more virtuous than others. Poor people must be awful, awful sinners. Why no, I've never heard of this Faust fellow you speak of."
And yeah, how weird is it that many poor people buy into that theology, too? "They're rich. They must be better than others. Maybe if I'm really, really good, God will let me win the lottery. If only I had behaved better as a child, I might live in a mansion with a supermodel wife right now."
blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)niyad
(113,055 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...evil. And always, self-righteous about it.
raging moderate
(4,292 posts)"Pure religion and undefiled is this: to care for orphans and widows in their distress."
James 1:26
"Come, you that are blessed by my Father, and enter my Kingdom! For I was hungry, and you gave me food: I was thirsty, and you gave me drink; I was a stranger, and you welcomed me; I was naked, and you gave me clothing; I was sick, and you cared for me; I was in prison, and you visited me. Truly, as you did it unto the least of these my brothers, you did it unto me."
Matthew 25:34 - 40
"What doth the Lord require of you, but to do justice, LOVE mercy, and walk humbly with your God?"
Micah 6:8
"What do you mean by crushing my people, by grinding the faces of the poor?"
Isaiah 3:15
"This was the sin of Sodom: She had her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy."
Esekiel 16:49
"Woe to him who builds his house by unrighteousness, and his upper rooms by injustice, who makes his neighbors work for nothing and does not give them their wages."
Jeremiah 22:13
"For the scripture says, You shall not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain, and the Laborer is worthy of his pay."
Paul, in 1st Letter to Timothy, 5:18
"But the fruits of God's Spirit are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and SELF-control."
Paul, in Letter to Galatians, 5:2
These people think they have read the Bible, but they have mostly slid through most of it with blah blah blah in their minds, pausing to gather ammunition for the hatred that smolders always in their hearts, against anyone who dares to question the actions of their thieving ancestors in any detail, or to question their own right to further increase their already obscene store of riches by more and more redistribution of wealth out of the hands of those who labor to produce it into the hands of those who sit in air=conditioned offices devising wicked schemes against the poor and needy. And yes, the Bible also condemns that practice.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)May they be kinder to you than they were to Marie Antoinette, but may you find yourself elderly, disabled and taking care of your disabled child.
Boy, it really is "work 'til you die" for these assholes.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)I hope he feels how poverty and hunger feels one day. That would be proper karma for him. May it happen, please!
KansDem
(28,498 posts)And that doesn't even include the bribes and kickbacks from his corporate "benefactors!"
A: No. The First Amendment to the Constitution is clear on this and has been upheld by the Supreme Court. While I support full disclosure for candidate and direct contributions, what other organizations, liberal and conservative, do to promote their beliefs is up to them. We are free people and it should be left that way.
http://www.ontheissues.org/house/Kevin_Cramer_Government_Reform.htm
And this bozo still believes in "trickle down":
http://www.ontheissues.org/house/Kevin_Cramer.htm
After 30 years of proven failure, he still believes in Regeanomics...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)niyad
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toby jo
(1,269 posts)with dicks like you. God it would be fun to get a group doin that again.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Someone just told me there are hospitals with wings for brain dead people being kept on life support -- even dialysis. Medicare does this for three years. When the family has to start paying, they pull the plug. But not before. I think it is better to feed people who are really alive and pull the plug sooner on those really dead. The brain dead person doesn't know and they are not coming back. Set them free. Let others receive SNAP and be able to move forward.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And why not? They are he'll bent on taking the country back a couple of hundred years.
I am filled with disgust.
And also filled with confusion about why senior citizens vote for the GOP by a wide margin. Are they that hung up on guns, gays and choice that they would take food from their own mouths?
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)heartless bastards. They hold their Bibles and profess their godliness while spewing hatred and intolerance. They are devoid of compassion and empathy and seem to think if someone is poor, it's because they choose to be - that they lack drive and a solid work ethic. Ideals such as "There but for the grace of God go I", or "noblesse oblige" have no meaning for them. Their souls are dark, cold and craven places.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)And this guys holds a political position? Elderly working? Kids? OMG, give me a friggin break. And where are the jobs, also? Hey, I'm in my 50's, and have been unable to find work for months now.