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EarlG

(21,947 posts)
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:16 PM Oct 2013

Pic Of The Moment: The Most Terrifying Image You'll See Today




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Pic Of The Moment: The Most Terrifying Image You'll See Today (Original Post) EarlG Oct 2013 OP
no kidding gopiscrap Oct 2013 #1
. jsr Oct 2013 #2
Give me a treat... or I'll shut your house down. ErikJ Oct 2013 #3
This week's Austin Chronicle cover hobbit709 Oct 2013 #4
scary indeed geardaddy Oct 2013 #5
Yes he can. Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #17
Interesting. geardaddy Oct 2013 #18
Probably because Jamaal510 Oct 2013 #19
Yep. geardaddy Oct 2013 #20
Yeah thats how John McCain got to run in 2008 PatrynXX Oct 2013 #22
John McCain is different. He was born on "US soil." MADem Oct 2013 #25
Arnold has no chance. merrily Nov 2013 #27
Guy sure has a big head for a headless horseman. Octafish Oct 2013 #6
Should have put him in the Oval Office nxylas Oct 2013 #7
Eccckkkkkk! SoapBox Oct 2013 #8
No god!!!!! Initech Oct 2013 #9
Brutally cruel Richard D Oct 2013 #10
... William769 Oct 2013 #11
...but ugly goes right to the bone. louis-t Oct 2013 #12
He gives evil a bad name. rug Oct 2013 #13
Ewww libodem Oct 2013 #14
He doesn't need a mask or makeup to look creepy. Cleita Oct 2013 #15
Quite frankly, it's horrifying to think of ANY republican behind that desk, EVER again. Tarheel_Dem Oct 2013 #16
At first I thought it was Robin Williams Bucky Oct 2013 #21
just got a knock-off of this in an email from Dems Voice for Peace Oct 2013 #23
Ugh. That is creepier and more disgusting than the beac Oct 2013 #24
Damn, JimboBillyBubbaBob Oct 2013 #26
He looks nothing like a Koch. And yet, he sprang from their loins. merrily Nov 2013 #28

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
17. Yes he can.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 03:44 PM
Oct 2013

A person who is not born here can still be considered a natural-born citizen and able to run for Prez as long as they have at least one parent born in the U.S.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
19. Probably because
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 04:02 PM
Oct 2013

A. he is of the opposite party
B. he has an ounce of melanin in his skin, or
C. both A & B

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
22. Yeah thats how John McCain got to run in 2008
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 05:40 PM
Oct 2013

except in 2008 they had to clarify that rule so thanks to John McCain not Barack Obama there's a chance arnie would become president. but I highly doubt that or Ted. Hell even Mittens had birthers thinking he's from Mexico

MADem

(135,425 posts)
25. John McCain is different. He was born on "US soil."
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 09:18 PM
Oct 2013

His parents were in the Canal Zone BECAUSE his father was engaged in official business of the US government on orders of the POTUS through the DoD and the DoN.

Further, McCain was not "born abroad," anymore than someone born in a US embassy is "born abroad." Congress clarified this seventy some odd years ago.

At the time of McCain's birth (of two American parents, one on official business), the Canal Zone was an "unorganized US territory."

McCain was, in effect, born in the USA.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panama_Canal_Zone

Money quote (gotta read the whole thing, full of twists and turns):

Although the Panama Canal Zone was legally an unincorporated US territory until the implementation of the Torrijos-Carter Treaties in 1979,[citation needed] questions arose almost from its inception as to whether it was considered part of the United States for constitutional purposes, or, in the phrase of the day, whether the Constitution followed the flag. In 1901 the US Supreme Court had ruled in Downes v. Bidwell that unincorporated territories are not the United States.[26] On July 28, 1904, Controller of the Treasury Robert Tracewell stated, "While the general spirit and purpose of the Constitution is applicable to the zone, that domain is not a part of the United States within the full meaning of the Constitution and laws of the country."[27] Accordingly, the Supreme Court held in 1905 in Rasmussen v. United States that the full Constitution only applies for incorporated territories of the United States.[28] Until the rulings in these so-called Insular Cases, children born of two US citizens in the Canal Zone had been subject to the Naturalization Act of 1795, which granted them statutory US citizenship at birth. With the ruling of 1905, persons born in the Canal Zone became US nationals, not full citizens.[29] This no man's land with regard to US citizenship was perpetuated until Congress passed legislation in 1937 that corrected this deficiency. The law is now codified under title 8, section 1403.[30] It not only grants statutory and declaratory born citizenship to those born in the Canal Zone after February 26, 1904, of at least one US citizen parent, but also does so retroactively for all children born of at least one US citizen in the Canal Zone before the law's enactment.[31]

merrily

(45,251 posts)
27. Arnold has no chance.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:54 AM
Nov 2013

Congress said McCain is a citizen--and I believe he is, wherever he was born--because both his parents are citizens. However, laws passed by Congress don't mean a thing when it comes to interpreting the Constitution. And being a "natural born citizen" is a Constitutional requirement for President. The Constitution does also say that Congress has the power to pass naturalization laws, but being a naturalized citizen is not the same as being a "natural born citizen."

There was no need to pass a law regarding Obama because Obama was born in the US (Hawaii having been made a state in 1959) and the one thing that the SCOTUS has mentioned about the Constitutional requirement is that being born within a country has traditionally been understood to mean that one is a natural born citizen of that country.

The whole birther thing started after an African woman supposedly claimed that she had witnessed Obama being born in Kenya. IMO, even if that were so, he'd still be a natural born citizen because his mom was a US citizen. I say that is my opinion because only the SCOTUS can say for certain. However, it simply cannot be (again, IMO) that going into labor while traveling forfeits citizenship for the infant.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
7. Should have put him in the Oval Office
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 12:44 PM
Oct 2013

That would have made it much scarier (apologies if that *is* the Oval Office, it isn't obvious from the photo).

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
15. He doesn't need a mask or makeup to look creepy.
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 02:46 PM
Oct 2013

Really disturbing. If he tried to strike up a conversation with me, I would be looking for the nearest exit.

beac

(9,992 posts)
24. Ugh. That is creepier and more disgusting than the
Thu Oct 31, 2013, 08:31 PM
Oct 2013

bowl of "eyeballs" (peeled grapes) that my sadistic childhood neighbor made us put our hands in during the "house of horrors" tour of his place we had to endure blindfolded we could get our Tootsie Roll.

*shudder*

merrily

(45,251 posts)
28. He looks nothing like a Koch. And yet, he sprang from their loins.
Fri Nov 1, 2013, 04:57 AM
Nov 2013

Photoshop doesn't scare me, though.

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