Fox host and panel gets whooped by liberal guest

[ErikJ]

From "Cashin' In" on Fox this morning. Brilliant Jehmu Greene come back starts at 3 minutes. She's been a regular guest for a couple years.

[Cleita]

1. He'll never get asked back again like other liberals who have

trashed their lies on air. Also video seems to be temporarily unavailable.

[lumpy]

2. Got my blood boiling. Especially the obviously money-worshiping giggling jackass.

[The Wielding Truth]

22. "The Index of Economic Freedom ...created by The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street

Journal..."

It's got to be total B.S.

[immoderate]

24. Yes! It is a bogus list! Heritage Foundation, indeed!

I'd like to take a look at those 18,000 regulations Obama imposed.

On second thought,

--imm

[Kurovski]

3. "pay a living wage" Sounds good to me.

Jehmu Greene is a brave and prepared woman.

I despise when people fake laugh during an argument, as we see from some of the panel.

Some few folks on DU should themselves be barred from using ( ) more than three times a day.

SO SAY I!!!

[shenmue]

4. WTF? Since when is the EPA destroying businesses?

Lack of regulation is the problem. Idiots.

[ErikJ]

21. Not being able to breathe like in Hong Kong and Beijing is economic freedom

Dontcha know?

[zeemike]

5. 4 against one, just like they like it

And then they berate her and won't let her talk...Fox is truly a propaganda organization.
And all their right wing sheeple will say that they really put her in her place.
What a cesspool the media is.

[Dustlawyer]

20. Fair & Balanced!

[TlalocW]

6. Trapper has become Frank

Wayne Rogers is a dick.

TlalocW

[progressoid]

12. No shit.

I had to skip past that. Ugh.

[DAngelo136]

7. Don't believe the hype

The Index of Economic Freedom according to Wikipedia: "The Index of Economic Freedom is an annual index and ranking created by The Heritage Foundation and The Wall Street Journal in 1995 to measure the degree of economic freedom in the world's nations. The creators of the index took an approach similar to Adam Smith's in The Wealth of Nations, that "basic institutions that protect the liberty of individuals to pursue their own economic interests result in greater prosperity for the larger society"

While taxes are part of the measurement under "Fiscal Freedom" (the measurement of the tax burden) it would seem to me that it's not a large consideration, or at least not as much as some of the panelists would have you believe. Typical of Fox News to shill only for outrage and panic from it's viewers when the host didn't explain what the Index actually means or go into how they come to their conclusions. BTW, the US was 10th in 2013.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom#Method

[caledesi]

10. Excellent post, D. This is NOT a game! nt

Faux is listed with the FCC as an entertainment channel. Why do they call themselves news....they just make shit up...about those lawsuits...hmmn...I get it!

[pangaia]

8. Is that a real show?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

17. Yup. And here's their target audience....

[pangaia]

18. Yikes, That's an insult to Grant Wood.

[Ed Suspicious]

9. Ahhh, life was so much better in the 1880s. Am I right? Who's with me? :high five:

[lib87]

11. Unions, Universal healthcare...

The repukes just ignored those facts and kept on rolling.


And the nerve of that old wall street suit cursing at her in such a condescending manner and the host doing nothing! What a bunch of weak out of touch POS.

[albino65]

13. Faux News is doing a great job

Besides dying his hair black, you cannot even see the strings on Howdy Doody (Jonathon Hoenig).

[DAngelo136]

15. To answer Wayne Rogers

I'll go to the Wikipedia entry itself. "Stefan Karlsson of the Ludwig von Mises Institute, challenged the usefulness of the index due to the fuzziness of many of the categories used to determine freedom. John Miller roundly criticizes the "Index", writing in Dollars & Sense,"In the hands of the Wall Street Journal and the Heritage Foundation, Washington's foremost right-wing think tank, however, an economic freedom index merely measures corporate and entrepreneurial freedom from accountability. Upon examination, the index turns out to be a poor barometer of either freedom more broadly construed or of prosperity."

I'll repeat that. "In the hands of the Wall Street Journal and the Heritage Foundation, Washington's foremost right-wing think tank, however, an economic freedom index merely measures corporate and entrepreneurial freedom from accountability. Upon examination, the index turns out to be a poor barometer of either freedom more broadly construed or of prosperity."John Miller, Dollars and Sense, No. 258, March/April 2005

According to Left Business Observer, the Index has only a 33% statistical correlation with a standard measure of economic growth, GDP per capita.

So according to someone from a libertarian institution AND from a liberal one, both call into question the veracity of the index and it's correlation to "freedom".

And to think I used to like Wayne Rogers as "Trapper John" in M*A*S*H. One more thing Mr.Rogers, the fact that YOUR firm is in compliance with Sarbanes-Oxley doesn't mean that ALL firms are in compliance. Just because I don't exceed the speed limit on the highway doesn't mean everybody else does. So it turns out that Jehmu Greene knew what she was talking about.

[underpants]

28. Great post. His laughing over her speaking was incredibly disrespectful

and yes she did know what she was talking about.

[KansDem]

30. Wayne Rogers was embarrassing!

This guy starts out on a ground-breaking TV show; one that broke the molds of 1960s television and set a standard for the 1970s and beyond.

Then he has his own show, City of Angels, which was groundbreaking in its own right and again set a new standard. Based on "Chinatown," it only ran for one season but the first three episodes, "The November Plan," were devoted to the subject of the attempted coup of FDR by business interests:

The November Plan: Part 1
Jake Axminster is a hard-boiled, wise-cracking private eye in Los Angeles during the 1930's. Mary Kingston hires him to prove her innocence. She is being framed for murdering her boyfriend, and the police are seeking her whereabouts. Jake hides her in a beach house and begins his investigation. He discovers that Mary and her boyfriend witnessed a man's murder at a party on the previous night, and she fled but her boyfriend was captured and killed. The man murdered at the party was a reporter who was about to publish a story of some importance...

The November Plan: Part 2
Jake continues to hide Mary at the beach house while he attempts to prove her innocence. His investigation leads him to a clandestine group of very prominent and powerful men, who are plotting the overthrow of the United States' government on November thirteenth. He witnesses their army on maneuvers, is bribed and threatened by the President of a large movie studio, and beaten by a corrupt police lieutenant.

The November Plan: Part 3
Jake makes contact with Gen. Smedley Butler as they discuss the plot to overthrow the U.S. government. Jake tricks Noel Crossman, Jr. into leading him and the police to the reporter's body, clearing Mary of murder charges.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073974/episodes

Lloyd Nolan played Gen. Smedley Butler ("War is a Racket&quot .

I thought the "November Plan" was pretty gutsy to take on this subject, and wondered later if it might have led to "City of Angels" running only one season (maybe some "wealthy businessmen" wanted it trashed? After all, Reaganomics and "trickle down" were right around the corner!)

Anyway, it seemed that Rogers disappeared for a while. I remember seeing him on some infomercial during the 1980s(?) and that was it. Now he's a regular on some cheesy FOX show?

It's a gig, I suppose...

[underpants]

31. Several years ago I saw Rogers rip that you jerk a new one

The topic was banks and the same young-er guy on this clip was spouting nonsense about bailing out/protecting the big banks. Rogers used the same "you don't know what you are talking about" line but he was right in that case. Apparently Rogers has owned a couple of community banks and he was standing up for their non- role in the banking debacle.

I think Rogers was on Fox really early on and they have kept him around. He has been very successful in finance and the markets but he was a jerk in the segment that is the subject of this thread.

[Stargleamer]

16. "Fair and Balanced"

4 conservative assholes vs. 1 progressive--no one ever challenges Fox on doing this time after time after time. (also letting the conservative get the last word in).

[Ka hrnt]

19. Forced laughter much?

Who are these imbeciles and fools?

[AAO]

23. Lies, lies, on video tape.

Please forgive me for I am posting drunk, but these "insert your worst expletive" should not be subjected to the good American people.

[demwing]

25. "Cashin' In"???

FOX NEWS PROPAGANDA isn't even trying to hide their main motivation with this one...

[panfluteman]

26. Fair and Balanced? Bah Humbug!

Fox so-called News is so fair and unbalanced that they could not let this brilliant, intelligent progressive get her equal time in, because if they had given her sufficient time to contest all their right wing BS, they would have been exposed for the rank criminals and con men that they are, and it would have been too humiliating for them. They had to shut her up. This is rank tokenism, a kind of reverse discrimination, at its worst. When you get to the bottom of it, in the ultimate analysis, their version of economic freedom is nothing more than the freedom to plunder and destroy the economy, the work force and the ecosystem for their own fun and profit, to the detriment of everyone else, and to do it in record time, at breakneck speed, with no regulatory breaks and safeguards in place. And when that happens, the entire human race and the planet, as a whole, are the real losers. And I'm also sure that that Obama clip was probably taken way out of context as well. What a tough and thankless job it must be to be a token progressive on Faux Noise!

[RBInMaine]

27. I admire her. But please, spare this nauseating right wing propaganda SHIT. Wayne Rogers is a

disappointment. Good actor, but a real disappointment in his politics.

[INdemo]

29. Republicans have this ..this "skip the real facts and use

whatever argument you can" bred into them from conception. And we have Democrats that have served in Congress for years and haven't figured this out yet. Young people see this kind of so called news and they absorb it as fact and then form this "Hate Liberals" philosophy. And in any conversation with a Repuke a liberal cannot win the argument because they throw bullshit out there and hope it sticks and any uniformed bystanders not involved in the conversation will walk away believing this BS.
..The RNC chairman has this theory because Repukes want to keep him around and Democrats better wake up and counter these Bullshit arguments or we will be in another 2010 "what the hell happen in Congress" all over again.

[fasttense]

32. She was good but the rest of this video was awful

It amazes me that Fox still has viewers.

Poor, poor CEOs just have too many regulations on them. And American workers have all the freedom in the world to starve to death. Yea starvation freedom.

[MrMickeysMom]

33. Rhetorical question- Where do they get these freaks on Fox?

Wayne Rogers has a natural career, plus he sits on a corporate board. He, like the "panel" have strange definitions of "economic freedom". Thanks for the references here, folks, but listening to these people ask questions of this woman, then talking over her answers (Rogers literally laughing all the way through the answer to his questions, then throwing insulting responses… it's the usual dumbed down, infotainment (if anyone could call watching Fox News entertainment or information based), I don't think I can watch another one of these all the way through. It's THAT inaccurate in addressing a "designer question" invented by a bunch of fucking freaks.

Wayne Rogers is chief among them. What a waste of protoplasm.