Exclusive Leaked phonecall !!! Yulia Timoshenko: "Shoot them all with atomic weapons"

[dipsydoodle]

Telephone conversation between the former deputy secretary of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine Nestor Shufrych and an ex-prime minister of Ukraine Yulia Tymoshenko. March 18,

[levp]

1. Very actionable conversation

former deputy secretary and ex-prime minister. I wonder what Mr. Cheney and Ms. Rice are talking about. On the second thought, who cares?

[Svenskarna]

2. Ukraine is a non nuclear nation

Since Ukraine has no nukes she must have been speaking rhetorically.

[rdharma]

4. Oh, then it's OK then....... nt

[levp]

5. Indeed.

Nuclear weapons and Ukraine

Peak stockpile 1,080 warheads (1992)
Current stockpile 0 total
NPT signatory Yes (1994)

And:

In a joint statement on December 4, 2009 the presidents of the United States and Russia, Barack Obama and Dmitry Medvedev, confirmed the assurances of security to Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Belarus given on the heels of these countries' consent in 1994 to give up their nuclear weapons.

"Assurances of security"

[dipsydoodle]

6. Assuming rhetorically, in this case,

to mean she was speaking through something other than her mouth - then yes.

[truebluegreen]

12. So......what nukes are they going to use?

Verbiage?

[dipsydoodle]

16. Was just an expression.

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[truebluegreen]

18. Oops sorry--I misunderstood where your disdain was directed.

[newthinking]

43. Trouble is that "rhetoric" happens all the time and there is a history that means caution.

Why do you think there was such a strong reaction to the overthrow. Please, let your mind open up and get past the geopolitical and try to understand there are very real concerns and issues involved with what happened.
Cause and effect.

[newthinking]

42. This is how her party talks, sometimes in public - Now maybe people will understand better the fear

and why people who speak Russian reacted the way they did. Part of the story that is not in the media.

This kind of talk went on publicly during the "Orange Revolution". "Hang them", "put them all behind barbed wire" are two examples of public statements by the leaders then.

[newthinking]

50. FAIR.ORG: Denying the Far-Right Role in the Ukrainian Revolution

Denying the Far-Right Role in the Ukrainian Revolution
http://www.fair.org/blog/2014/03/07/denying-the-far-right-role-in-the-ukrainian-revolution/

[blockquote {margin:30px 10px 10px 50px;}]"Snyder insists that "the transitional authorities were not from the right," and that the "new government, chosen by parliament…is very similar in its general orientation." This is simply false; Snyder mentions a couple of political figures who are not fascists, but passes over in silence a number of bonafide far-right extremists who have been given powerful positions.

The new deputy prime minister, Oleksandr Sych, is from Svoboda; National Security Secretary Andriy Parubiy is a co-founder of the neo-Nazi Social-National Party, Svoboda's earlier incarnation; the deputy secretary for National Security is Dmytro Yarosh, the head of Right Sector. Chief prosecutor Oleh Makhnitsky is another Svoboda member, as are the ministers for Agriculture and Ecology (Channel 4, 3/5/14). In short, if the prospect of fascists taking power again in Europe worries you, you should be very worried about Ukraine."


How the far-right took top posts in Ukraine's power vacuum
http://www.channel4.com/news/svoboda-ministers-ukraine-new-government-far-right

[blockquote {margin:30px 10px 10px 50px;}]"The man facing down Putin's aggression as secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defence Council is Andriy Parubiy. He oversees national security for the nation having previously served as security commandant during the anti-government protests in Kiev.

Parubiy was the founder of the Social National Party of Ukraine, a fascist party styled on Hitler's Nazis, with membership restricted to ethnic Ukrainians.

The Social National Party would go on to become Svoboda, the far-right nationalist party whose leader Oleh Tyahnybok was one of the three most high profile leaders of the Euromaidan protests - negotiating directly with the Yanukovych regime.

Overseeing the armed forces alongside Parubiy as the Deputy Secretary of National Security is Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of the Right Sector - a group of hardline nationalist streetfighters, who previously boasted they were ready for armed struggle to free Ukraine."

[truebluegreen]

14. Yup...thanks for injecting a little sanity

and welcome to DU.

[elleng]

29. Welcome!

[rdharma]

3. That's crazy talk.

The "gas queen" is nuggin' futz.

[hrmjustin]

7. Scary conversation.

It will be interesting to see if they say that was them or it was made up.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. Who is "The Vinebox", and how did they obtain this recording exclusively?

How good is their translation? Can you personally recognise Timoshenko's voice?

[dipsydoodle]

9. You may find elsewhere

that she hasn't denied it but also may have claimed some editing.

Vinebox is a hosting site.

#Tymoshenko confirms authenticity of leaked phone call, claims the end of conversation edited

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. No, this is exclusive, so it doesn't appear anywhere else

The credibility of this depends entirely on the journalistic record of 'The Vinebox'. What's their track record like? Big in Ukrainian politics, are they? Reliable translators? People who can recognise Ukrainian politicians by voice?

[dipsydoodle]

17. Its a hosting site

so they are as unlikely to confirm anything re. voices and translation whatever as Youtube itself would be.

I don't uses twitter maybe someone could confirm using Yulia's twitter id #Tymoshenko.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. So you're taking the word of a site that hosts Vine clips about a taped conversation

of 2 Ukrainian politicians that mysteriously made its way there, rather than to any known journalistic outlet, about the authenticity of a recording. This is about as reliable as an anonymous post in a yahoo newsgroup. Why bother with this?

[dipsydoodle]

20. Well either she does admit it on her twitter feed or she doesn't.

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[muriel_volestrangler]

21. But you haven't bothered looking

You just found a anonymous recording, without explanation, on Youtube, brought it here, and assumed she'd have said something about it.

Again, what's the point?

[dipsydoodle]

25. There's nothing to look for.

Someone for whatever reason loaded it onto the Vinebox viewer which was then reposted on Youtube as an exclusive solely because it was the first one. RT then added it later in the day - they were not the origin. Timings of different videos when loaded on Youtube confirm that.

It really no different from the leaked Victoria Nuland conversation inasmuch no one really know how it got out.

[muriel_volestrangler]

26. So you admit it's worthless - there's no reason to think it's real

you have no idea who produced it, and RT just saw it on YouTube too, and thought they'd run with it. Piece of shit media operation, if you ask me.

[PoliticalPothead]

30. Here you go.

http://rt.com/news/tymoshenko-calls-destroy-russia-917/

This article includes the tweet from Tymoshenko confirming the conversation took place.

[newthinking]

44. There is a track record. Statements of this kind were made during the "Orange Revolution" in public

I know you're views are very strong, but just try to consider that maybe folks in the East and South are not as irrational or crazed for putin as you think. There is a deeper story.

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. The claim that this audio is true is the claim that people are "irrational or crazed"

Nothing in this thread has been saying anything about people in the East and South of Ukraine. What it's claiming is that a couple of Ukrainian politicians want to start a nuclear war - which is an absurd claim that they are 'irrational and crazed'.

And no, I don't believe that during the Orange Revolution, people said they wanted to nuke the Russians, or seize a machine gun and kill them all. You've pulled that out of your arse.

[levp]

10. Only news site with this story

is RT.

And we know what kind of "news" site they are.

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. RT takes its news from a video hosting website?

Wow, they are desperate.

I looked at the first 'vinebox' video that YouTube suggested - it was a screaming baby with a different voice on the audio. I can see they're a classy, professional news-gathering outfit.

[newthinking]

45. The MSM rarely provides a deeper story or viewpoint. They risk losing some of their audience

and advertisers if they stray too far from the predominant story. Is that really so hard to believe? It happens all the time here.

It is on other sites as well:

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ukraines-ex-pm-tymoshenko-take-arms-kill-russians-1441651

Ukraine's Ex-PM Tymoshenko: Take up Arms and Kill the Russians

She is saying it was edited, but given that she has said such things before in public it doesn't give her much credibility

[SaltyBro]

13. I like her and think she should be President again

She has cool hair and is motherly.

[rdharma]

22. If the Koch brothers had a daughter, she'd be just like Yulia. nt

[SaltyBro]

24. Yeah right

Yulia is not a right-winger.

[rdharma]

27. Neither are the Koch brothers

[newthinking]

49. So much ignorance in our media. Yes she is a right winger - And so are the current Pres and PM!

Homophobic Stances of the current administration:

New Ukraine President
In August 2007, Turchynov replied to the accusation that his stance on same-sex marriage is typically conservative, "I do not agree. If a man has normal views, then you label him a conservative, but those who use drugs or promote sodomy, you label them a progressive person. All of these are perversions".http://web.archive.org/web/20080820220202/http://www.lgf.org.uk/news/research-2/overview-of-lesbian-and-gay-rights-in-eastern-europe/

Oleksandr Turchynov is an elder in a conservative Evangelical Church. We know how Evangelical Churches view gays.

Ukrainian PM
Ukraine Opposition Surprises Supporters by Denouncing Gay Marriage (Fatherland leader and now Prime Minister)
http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-releases/ukraine-opposition-surprises-supporters-by-denouncing-gay-marriage-198940821.html

Svoboda is heavily anti-gay

Member of parliament Ihor Miroshnychenko asked the head of the Kiev City State Administration Oleksandr Popov on 7 March 2013 to ban an LGBT march that was held the next day because he believed it would "contribute to promoting sexual orientation" and he further stated in his request "homosexuality provokes sexually transmitted diseases and AIDS".[98] The 8 March rally was in fact not an LGBT march but organized by feminist organizations.[99]

Need we even mention the further right parties?

[TwilightGardener]

23. An obvious and stupid attempt by Russia to further provoke unrest in Ukraine.

But, your breathlessness is amusing.

[rdharma]

28. Nice of Yulia to show how the Ukrainian nationalists feel. nt

[TwilightGardener]

32. Fuck, if another country dared invade the US, seized our military bases

and sliced off Florida, I'd advocate turning that country into a burning crater, too.

[rdharma]

33. If a group of RW thugs staged a coup in the US, I'd advocate war against them too. nt

[TwilightGardener]

35. Nah, that coup shit has been established as Russian propaganda, and you aren't

going to get anywhere with me on any of that bullshit. Try someone else.

[rdharma]

38. I don't care if you want to deny the reality of the situation. nt

[TwilightGardener]

40. Can't believe anything Russia says. Putin's about as truthy as Kim Jong Un and

Hamid Karzai, at this point.

[rdharma]

41. Calm down and don't hyperventilate.

Russia isn't going to invade eastern Ukraine.

This unfounded hysteria reminds me of those who wanted to attack Iraq over the fake WMD issue.

[uhnope]

57. What else does Putin want us to think? Do tell

[JustAnotherGen]

31. She's not in charge anymore

She's a private citizen that just got out of prison in February - and she's allowed to say and think what she wants. Whether that's the law in the Ukraine or not (freedom of speech) I don't know. To me - it's like Tom Delay (though he was acquitted and we all know he did it) having a private discussion with Dick Cheney and that leaked discussion being taken as THE authority from the USA.

[rdharma]

34. I think she should go back to jail. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

37. Can we send

Dick Cheney with her? Guilty as charged as being a war mongering asshole.

[uhnope]

58. The Kremlin agrees...with everything you post.

[Benton D Struckcheon]

36. Russia has actually violated another country's sovereignty,

and it has nukes. This is a transparent attempt to distract from those two simple truths.
Wake me up when someone from Russia, which can do something like this, says something like this. Til then, it's entertainment, nothing more.

[rdharma]

39. What country did Russia actually "invade"? nt

[muriel_volestrangler]

47. Ukraine, obviously (nt)

[rdharma]

51. You mean Crimea?

Which legally declared independence, ....... like Kosovo. Legal per 2010 ruling by the International Court of Justice ruling.

[muriel_volestrangler]

53. You can't just declare independence and say "that's legal"

But, anyway, the Russian APCs were illegally taking control of Crimean roads on Feb 26th. The Crimean parliament didn't declare it was out of Ukraine until March 6th. That's why Russia illegally occupied a part of Ukraine.

[rdharma]

54. And when did the illegal RW coup by fascist thugs take place?

Even a kid can demonstrate the "domino effect" to you..........

[levp]

48. Seriously? (n/t)

[rdharma]

52. Serously, I think you meant Crimea.

Which legally declared independence after the RW coup in Ukraine.

[DeSwiss]

55. Other fine videos from The Vine Box!

- I wonder who does translation at the Vine Box!?!?!?

[uhnope]

56. so "exclusive" now means "fake"?

[rdharma]

59. It wasn't fake. Tymishenko admits she said everything that was in the recording.......

.... except the part about nuking Russians living in Crimea.

It's beginning to look like her comments were intentionally "leaked" in order to garner votes from RW ultra-nationalists in the upcoming May election.

She's mad...... but she isn't crazy.

[uhnope]

60. good morning. Sun coming up

in Moscow right about now.