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MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
1. Depends on what Obama wants to achieve
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:58 PM
Jul 2014

And nobody knows that for sure, except Obama.

But Holder still being in office is probably a very good clue.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
14. Those who suffer from.....
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 04:59 AM
Jul 2014

...Battered Progressive Syndrome never see who's really abusing them as being in any way at fault.

- He's really got a heart 'o gold, it's his underlings always making him look bad!

 

imthevicar

(811 posts)
18. Look for the Strings,
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 02:25 PM
Jul 2014

Coming off holders hands and the potus' as well. They do everything they are suppose to.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
11. #1 and 1A
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:07 PM
Jul 2014

impossible to choose between the two for malfeasance. IMO Holder is incompetent, Duncan is malevalent.

elleng

(130,856 posts)
12. I disagree about Holder,
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:15 PM
Jul 2014

he's competent. Duncan is horrendous, and unfortunately competent at that.

 

supercats

(429 posts)
4. Papantonio Hit The Nail Right On The Head
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:37 PM
Jul 2014

Obama is a DINO. He can do sort of good on social issues but when it comes to the most important problems facing the 99% meaning financial issues he's bought and paid for by wall street. As is Hilary and and thats precisely why I won't be voting for her.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
5. I won't vote for Hillary either.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:44 PM
Jul 2014

If another third way Democrat is nominated to lead this party, count me out as well.

Amonester

(11,541 posts)
17. Well, without a well-funded Public-Only Campaign Act....
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 12:25 PM
Jul 2014

What do you think anyone needs to be successful at being elected President Of The United States of America?

Eggs?

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
6. Obama has had many, many UNFORCED errors for the Democratic Party. Not sure Holder is #1, though.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jul 2014
Liars lie.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
8. I don't know how Wall Street maintains their hold on a lame duck President they bought in 08 &
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:00 PM
Jul 2014

10, but they still OWN HIM like they do almost all D.C. Politicians. Don't get me wrong, Obama did a lot of good, especially with what was opposed to him. I still want to believe that he would do all of the great things he promised, but for whatever pressure they still exert. He put their people in charge of our Financial system from the start despite what he said on the road in 08! They got the money they wanted with no strings attached while the people got nothing. We paid for the Housing crash despite being the victims. I guess they could threaten to ruin his great accomplishments or some such. There is some unspoken deal here we will never know in our lifetimes because of the raw power of all of that money and influence!

I am under no such compunction and neither are you! I say we fight to fix the mistakes of our generation! The oil companies are driving us to mass extinction. Our Freedoms are being spun backwards in time until we have no safety net, minimum wage, public education, child labor protections, or for that matter, any Labor protections. Look at what Hobby Lobby has done to women's reproductive rights! Men, those are in effect, your rights too that are evaporating without the pill, IUD's, abortion...

Fight to get the money out of our elections which will wrest control of our Representatives from their greedy, heartless paws. We can do it by fighting for Publicly Funded Federal, State, and Local Elections. Make the media, complicit in all of this as they too are owned by these same bastards, provide the campaign ads as a public service for using OUR AIRWAVES!

September 13th - November 4th (or as long as it takes) let's organize and hit the streets.

Everyone who cares about Women's and LGBTV equality, the environment, public educations, jobs, infrastructure, Social Security, Medicaid/Medicare, Veterans, all of the things we are fighting to keep can only be solved by doing this first. They will not roll over, in fact, they will fight much harder and nastier than OWS because this takes away their control! I am tired of the nay sayers and the ones who say that we will play into the hands of the Right who will out vote us in the Constitutional Conventions. There are more of us than them, we must have to motivate and mobilize. Aren't you tired of bitching about the same problems here, only to watch them get worse?

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
10. Nah, that was always his ideology. He's always been a corporatist DINO
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 11:05 PM
Jul 2014

he just put on a good show in 2008. Now he has the Fan Club which refuses to see the truth.

cantbeserious

(13,039 posts)
9. HRC Will Be Continuation Of O - Will Be A continuation Of Bubba - And On It Goes - Dems Snookered Again
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 10:12 PM
Jul 2014

eom

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
13. It depends on how you define''FAIL.''
Tue Jul 15, 2014, 03:43 AM
Jul 2014
- If by failure you mean he didn't to his job properly, well yes. But he did do as he was told or he wouldn't have gotten the job in the first place, nor kept it for so long either, right?

But hey, don't count him out yet. There's still time left for things to get worse in other federal departments, like energy (nukes!) or the SEC (another stock market income adjustment) or even the CDC could expose some more people to anthrax or maybe even Ebola!

And at least in the end we all know that Mr. Holder will make a soft landing on several Boards of corporations that he's protected kept from prosecuting while he was in office. And so that's all that really matters.

All's well that ends well, I always say!
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