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Wed Jul 30, 2014, 07:50 AM

 

Whoopi Defends Stephen A. Smith: If You Hit a Man, Don’t Be Surprised if He Hits Back



By Josh Feldman
ESPN host Stephen A. Smith apologized today for his comments about domestic violence, but he also found a defender today in Whoopi Goldberg, who went off on The View today agreeing with the point he was making. Goldberg said that if a woman hits a man and then he hits back, she shouldn’t be surprised by it.

Smith had said late last week that women should not to anything to “provoke” men into striking them. Goldberg agreed with this point and cried, “If you hit somebody, you cannot be sure you are not going to get hit back!”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/whoopi-defends-stephen-a-smith-if-you-hit-a-man-dont-be-surprised-if-he-hits-back/

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Reply Whoopi Defends Stephen A. Smith: If You Hit a Man, Don’t Be Surprised if He Hits Back (Original post)
jamzrockz Jul 2014 OP
safeinOhio Jul 2014 #1
merrily Jul 2014 #4
safeinOhio Jul 2014 #6
merrily Jul 2014 #7
Crowman1979 Jul 2014 #25
Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2014 #31
merrily Jul 2014 #2
gordianot Jul 2014 #3
Post removed Jul 2014 #5
safeinOhio Jul 2014 #8
Name removed Jul 2014 #9
safeinOhio Jul 2014 #11
merrily Jul 2014 #13
safeinOhio Jul 2014 #16
merrily Jul 2014 #18
safeinOhio Jul 2014 #19
jamzrockz Jul 2014 #20
merrily Jul 2014 #21
merrily Jul 2014 #17
jamzrockz Jul 2014 #12
Name removed Jul 2014 #14
merrily Jul 2014 #15
jamzrockz Jul 2014 #10
KansDem Jul 2014 #24
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BlueJazz Jul 2014 #23
Iggo Jul 2014 #26
lululu Jul 2014 #27
In_The_Wind Jul 2014 #28
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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:38 AM

1. Whoopi does have a point.

This can be a gray area as some women may be stronger, bigger or more violent that some men. Rhonda Rousey.

Point is, no one should strike another person, or stab or shoot another person. Anger management is for both sexes. I'm a guy and if a woman hits me, I'll turn and walk away if at all possible. If anyone allows their anger to turn into violence they have a problem.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:46 AM

4. What if Maria Shriver hit Schwartzenegger, when he was in shape,

and he hit her "back" without pulling any punches, so to speak?

Doesn't differing size and strength play any role? Proportionality? What about the idea that the correct response to violence is almost always to remove yourself, if you possibly can, without putting yourself or anyone else into even greater danger.

I understand that some victims of domestic violence, regardless of gender, are stronger than their abusers, but were any of the statements involved qualified by stronger and weaker, or was it just about women and men? (Domestic violence exists in some same gender relationships as well.)

And what about putting out the idea that women provoke men into hitting them without a smack down of the person who originated those statements? (Not saying Whoopi didn't smack him down.)

If you count up all the cases of domestic violence in this country in male female situations, how many women have been landed in the hospital or morgue because of it, versus how many males? So, how dangerous are generalized statements that are unqualified, even as to proportionality, and that imply that physical violence against women is okay, if you have alleged been "provoked" into it?

Every male abuser I ever witnessed or heard of thought, in the moment, that he'd been provoked into hitting.

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Response to merrily (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:54 AM

6. What if Maria Shriver

shoots Schwartzenegger because she caught him with the maid?
No he should not hit her for any reason, nor her him, period.

Like Whoopi pointed out, there is provoking him with words and there is provoking him with physical violence.

For me, physical violence can only be used to prevent certain injury from an attacker. Even then, only as a last resort.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:57 AM

7. Um, my post mentioned proportionality.

Of course, if she shoots him, he may not be able to remove himself from the situation, and her response MAY* be disproportionate, but how about replying to what I actually posted?

With certain abusers, including Swarzenegger when he was in his top shape, hitting can causse more injury than a bullet, especially a bullet from someone who is a bad shot. And, if people are not good at self-control, and most abusers are not, you can never count on them stopping before your face is mush or you are dead.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:11 AM

25. This is the same Whoopi who defended Roman Polanski and Mel Gibson.

Bottom Line: She has no point whatsoever.

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Response to Crowman1979 (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 01:13 PM

31. wonder what she has to say about Woody Allen ...

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:40 AM

2. I have loved Whoopi since the first time I heard her on a car radio, but

I don't always agree with her. She doesn't think there should be an estate tax, either, or any taxes on her phone bill.

Not that those things are in the same class with domestic violence. They are only in the same class of things about which I do not agree with her.

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:42 AM

3. That is also a fair assumption for women as well as men.

The advice I gave my son I also gave to my daughter hit back or run. My daughter should do well in both scenarios, hitting back, or running, or in combination.

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Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:57 AM

8. disrespects a man?

Your not a male feminist.
can't wait to see your second post.

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Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:01 AM

11. Ok,

from now on I'll treat you like a woman.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:03 AM

13. Is that how you will punish this poster?

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Response to merrily (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:07 AM

16. I don't think it's my job to punish anyone.

Just fulfilling a request.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:12 AM

18. Sorry, not buying it. The poster never asked to be treated like a woman.

I think you clearly meant something negative by promising to treat him like a woman.

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Response to merrily (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:19 AM

19. It's gone now, but

he asked that women be treated as men are. I assumed he meant it worked both ways. For me, both sexes should be treated equally without regard to gender. I hold doors open for both men and women.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:21 AM

20. Yea

 

But I hope you are not one of those that hold the door while the next person is 20ft or more away and then forcing them to run to the door.

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Response to safeinOhio (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:22 AM

21. Nope. He said women had asked for equality. He made no request at all of any kind.

He (I assume it was a he) just made statements justifying domestic violence on the ground, among others, that women had sought equality. (As if Arnold Swartzenegger punching Shriver would have anything to do with equality anyway.)

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Response to Name removed (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:09 AM

17. No, it doesn't make you a male feminist. Or a man. Or much of a human.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:01 AM

12. Hmm

 

Did you mean to say disrespects a man by hitting him or just disrespects a man?

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Response to jamzrockz (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:07 AM

15. Either way, the statement is unacceptable, or should be.

Not every swat by a woman, no matter how weak she is and how strong the male is justifies the male ensuring that she getting her "ass kicked," which was this poster's unqualified statement. And, since he used or, I'm guessing hitting from a woman was not the only form of "disrespect" about which he was posting.

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 08:59 AM

10. Whoopi

 

got it wrong because I don't actually think she admits to hitting him. The story I heard is that she spit on him first before he punched her. Not saying i agree with it, but I can see myself reflexively switching when someone spits on me. It's not something I am proud of saying but somethings will do that to me. Kicking me in the balls is another one.

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Response to jamzrockz (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:49 AM

24. "...she spit on him first before he punched her."

This scene from "To Kill a Mockingbird" made a profound impression on me since I first saw it decades ago--



Atticus looks like he was going to punch Mr. Ewell but instead stops and looks at him with pity. He then wipes his glasses clean and walks away. Such a reaction requires a strong character and self respect.

Of course, this kind of response doesn't play well in today's violent SYG-based reactions. We love violence on and off the field and we want to see "justice" when someone is dissed. Such insight is the fodder of celebrity "intellectuals" and their "insightful" ejaculate aimed to please their audience of consumers.

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 09:45 AM

23. I've never struck a woman in any way. I try to talk to them but they usually answer>

 

"Get the hell away from me, you sick perverted bastard"

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:18 AM

26. Idiot.

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 10:27 AM

27. confused

 

I thought the blathering about provoking was like, making him angry, like wearing a short skirt is considered "provoking" rape. Which is, of course, a crazy viewpoint.

However, if provoking is physical violence, sorry, you start it, someone else will finish it. No one gets to assault someone under the assumption there will be no retaliation, I don't care what size or gender anyone is.

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 11:44 AM

28. I slapped a man once. He warned he would hit back if I did it again.

I haven't slapped anyone since then.

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 11:59 AM

29. Whoopi Defends Stephen A. Smith: If You Hit a Man, Don’t Be Surprised if He Hits Back View profile


As my mom used to tell me. You never hit a lady. If she's stupid enough to hit you. She's proved she not a lady. You deck her.

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Response to jamzrockz (Original post)

Wed Jul 30, 2014, 12:20 PM

30. These threads tend to devolve into people looking for an excuse to hit a woman.

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