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Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:30 PM

Pic Of The Moment: Factcheckers Call Bullshit On Keystone XL Jobs Claim



TransCanada CEO Russ Girling concedes that "actual operating jobs top out at 50"


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Reply Pic Of The Moment: Factcheckers Call Bullshit On Keystone XL Jobs Claim (Original post)
EarlG Nov 2014 OP
femmocrat Nov 2014 #1
MADem Nov 2014 #8
TRoN33 Nov 2014 #2
SoapBox Nov 2014 #3
madamvlb Nov 2014 #4
daleanime Nov 2014 #5
dickthegrouch Nov 2014 #6
JDPriestly Nov 2014 #20
C Moon Nov 2014 #41
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #7
MADem Nov 2014 #9
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #18
MADem Nov 2014 #19
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #21
Enthusiast Nov 2014 #30
Spitfire of ATJ Nov 2014 #37
gademocrat7 Nov 2014 #10
Doctor_J Nov 2014 #11
guyton Nov 2014 #15
certainot Nov 2014 #12
PatrynXX Nov 2014 #13
cascadiance Nov 2014 #14
lark Nov 2014 #16
tclambert Nov 2014 #17
stage left Nov 2014 #22
PeoViejo Nov 2014 #23
Central Scruitinizer Nov 2014 #24
sammy750 Nov 2014 #25
GeorgeGist Nov 2014 #26
grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #40
Bill USA Nov 2014 #27
freshwest Nov 2014 #42
vkkv Nov 2014 #28
Enthusiast Nov 2014 #29
bobclark86 Nov 2014 #31
sorefeet Nov 2014 #32
freshwest Nov 2014 #43
aint_no_life_nowhere Nov 2014 #33
gmb92 Nov 2014 #34
Cha Nov 2014 #35
RB TexLa Nov 2014 #36
hueymahl Nov 2014 #44
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blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #38
grahamhgreen Nov 2014 #39
HoosierCowboy Nov 2014 #45
MrMickeysMom Nov 2014 #46

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:31 PM

1. First rec!

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Response to femmocrat (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:54 PM

8. 27th rec--but they're all good and this one is worth reccing! nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:34 PM

2. Boehner once said................

 

Keystone Pipeline would create more than 175,000 jobs. Which one is it? 40,000 or 175,000 jobs?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:40 PM

3. Yup...more bullshit

from the Suck-the-Earth-Dry-for-Money crowd.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 12:41 PM

4. It's Fifty!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:16 PM

5. K&R....

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:16 PM

6. You all have it wrong!

The other 41,950 jobs will be to clean up the massive spills and will last for decades.

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Response to dickthegrouch (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:15 PM

20. +1,000,000

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Response to dickthegrouch (Reply #6)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 03:24 AM

41. That's what I was thinking!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:29 PM

7. I heard "indirect jobs" included ballet dancers.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #7)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:55 PM

9. No no no--tap dancers!

Because you really need to tap dance to justify bullshit like that pipeline!

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Response to MADem (Reply #9)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:02 PM

18. Those are already on the payroll...

 

The ballet dancers were an example of that.

It goes like this: The pipeline goes through making a locally rich fuck even wealthier which means he is elevated in status causing him to seek out other rich fucks like himself and thus learn to appreciate the finer things in life like wine at $20k a bottle and, yes, the ballet.

Thus causing a Metropolitan Opera type performance to be done in some place like Casper, Wyoming.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #18)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:12 PM

19. You'd have to tap dance like hell to sell that shit to even a bunch of Cheney-loving cowboys, I

suspect!!!!

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Response to MADem (Reply #19)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:17 PM

21. Keeping in mind these are the same types who cherry picked the intel to claim Iraq had WMDs....

 

They got that talent from cherry picking the Bible to claim the rich are "blessed" and you can get rich through prayer.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #21)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:47 PM

30. Good point.

The rich have a special agreement that allows a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #30)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:48 AM

37. No, they have an industrial blender.

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 01:58 PM

10. K&R

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:11 PM

11. But all of those clean-up jobs once the spills start!

 

rec

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:16 PM

12. environmentalists can't fix this bullshitting while ignoring the main tool used to

spread them in the first place- republican radio

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:17 PM

13. number hasn't changed

50 = 50

I remember when the Republicans slammed the Census jobs. Oh they are so temporary. yep. but at least we get something out of it. seems awfully expensive for 50 jobs let alone any spill becomes a mini Chernobyl and will never be cleaned up

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:29 PM

14. Oh... But we'll need more cops and military police to stop terrorists from bombing the pipeline!

 

So we'll get more jobs then huh?

REAL productive jobs that we need too I suppose! As if the increased threat of domestic terrorism and screwing up our environment in the process is something to be valued.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:45 PM

16. It absolutely doesn't matter to Congress

The Repugs are in charge and Kochs will make billions from this so they lie and lie and lie and will vote for this BS no matter what.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 02:56 PM

17. Is he including oil spill clean-up jobs, PR people to excuse the oil spills as unforeseeable

(even though we are foreseeing it right fracking now), and lobbyists to push for legislation limiting corporate liability for environment damage?

Bird-washers, that's where the jobs are.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:23 PM

22. K&R nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 03:26 PM

23. I asked my Son-in-Law about this

 

He and his dad own a Oil Pipeline Maintenance business in Wyoming. He also came up with a 50ish number for the permanent employees

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:02 PM

24. And this negates GOP pushes to fastrack Keystone how?

 

Americans are a lazy willfully ignorant lot.

Of course Keystone will create jobs. Americans are spoon fed propaganda by the minute, and straight facts served up as truth will be condemned for communism or environmental kookism.

We must learn to disprove propaganda on a case by case basis but we broom back the tide if everyone consumes mass media news.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:30 PM

25. Polls Really Show the American People are Ignorant

And they don't know the real facts. The GOP continues on a hourly/ daily basis to LIE about so much happening in this USA and the dumb people listen to those LIES. Obamacare is polling at a low level, but the millions that are enjoying it love it. And the polls show that. SO why are Americans against Obamacare, it is the constant LIES OF THE GOP.

Until we education our people in this nation. This nation will continue to fail and decline under the GOP.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 04:30 PM

26. In related news ...

Koch Bros. announce leveraged buyout of PolitiFact™.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #26)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:51 AM

40. That day will come.

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 05:24 PM

27. Politifact found State Dept est of 35, yes 35, permanent jobs from Keystone to be accurate

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Response to Bill USA (Reply #27)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:03 AM

42. I'd like Van Jones for President. He'd never win, but he'd be my first choice in the primaries...

And would push anyone who heard him to sanity... Of course, that's why the feces flinging media went after him with all fours. And he refused to kowtow to their Libertarian bull.



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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:08 PM

28. KXL will lead to higher U.S.gas prices for American consumers.

 

GOP Congressmen are LYING to us.

KXL will not make us more "energy independent". The oil will be sold to the country paying the highest price - the oil is not guaranteed to be sold in the U.S. for U.S. consumers. If you believe that, you are getting your info from unreliable and dishonest sources.

Job counts is also a lie and the GOP has no shame about making part-time, short-term jobs sound like permanent positions.

Another fact: Refinery production influences our price at the pump. We have all experienced higher pump priced when a refinery closes for repairs or from an accident. With oil from KXL coming to U.S. refineries that is not intended for our U.S. market, production for will be under even more demand leading to higher U.S. consumer gas prices for Americans.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:45 PM

29. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

We have known the jobs claim was bullshit from the start.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 06:54 PM

31. "Environmental disaster-in-waiting"

Because railroads totally have a safer safety record... If a Quebec town wasn't vaporized last year, I'd probably be laughing.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 07:20 PM

32. Most of the pipeline is already done

the only parts are between Montana and Nebraska. They will hire maybe 600 fitters and operators and labors for about 6 months then start laying them off because it will be done. And it will take a max of 35 permanent to run the pipeline. They are all computerized, it doesn't take much manpower at all. All they got are pumping stations, the rest is underground. The guys who work the stations have almost nothing to do but house keeping. The pollution stays here, the gas goes overseas and the money goes in Koch brothers pocket.

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Response to sorefeet (Reply #32)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 06:06 AM

43. Best of all for the Koches, not a dime in taxes anywhere.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 08:45 PM

33. I don't care how many jobs it doesn't create, I desperately want oil company CEOs to continue

farting in silken underwear and shitting in their private jets at 30,000 feet without having to wait in line for the restroom. I'm a complete American moron.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 09:12 PM

34. Keystone would RAISE gas prices in the midwest too

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-03-01/keystone-oil-pipeline-seen-raising-gas-prices-in-midwest-energy.html

while having negligible effects globally.

So that's the core of the Republican jobs, energy, and environmental plan that they and the media have lied to the American people about: a few dozen permanent jobs, higher U.S. gas prices, and a large pipeline ripping through the heartland.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Mon Nov 17, 2014, 10:55 PM

35. Mahalo EarlG.. this is going on my FB page, too!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:07 AM

36. Jobs in Louisiana refineries, Louisiana ports, Louisiana shipyards


Yes real jobs.

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Response to RB TexLa (Reply #36)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 12:50 PM

44. We need fewer refinery jobs

Putting the money and resources into renewable energy technologies and making us a world leader in them is the future (and will increase port and export jobs. Refinery jobs, would love to see those minimized.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:38 AM

38. ,

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:48 AM

39. Important to remember the Koch Bro's will make billions from this deal.

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 01:01 PM

45. Calling Bullshit on Energy Hypocrites

You drive a gas burning car.

You heat your home with natural gas.

You spend most of your disposable income on products made from petroleum.
...and.....

You oppose the KXL pipeline?
Excuse me, but something is ass backwards here....

If you didn't buy it, the oil companies would have gone out of business long ago....

If you didn't buy it, many of your sons and daughters wouldn't be in uniform protecting the thugs that sell it to us in the Middle East.

If you didn't buy it they wouldn't be building KXL in the first place.

We've already voted to allow the KXL by the choices we made long ago. A choice of an easy life powered by petroleum. When you decide to return to the lifestyle of the 1800's then you have some room to speak.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 18, 2014, 02:26 PM

46. There is no doubt we are dependent on this industry… not by choice, though

Our choice, if we were listened to by our legislative branch of govt, would be to invest like never before in alternative geothermal, wind and solar, and remove patents that have been shelved on this technology.

Take the patents off the shelf for the sake of national security. Think about that.

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