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Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:51 PM

Pic Of The Moment: Justice? It's No Wonder People Are Pissed...



In atypical approach, grand jury in Ferguson shooting receives full measure of case

The single chart that shows that federal grand juries indict 99.99 percent of the time

Background of prosecutor in Ferguson case has some questioning probe's credibility



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Reply Pic Of The Moment: Justice? It's No Wonder People Are Pissed... (Original post)
EarlG Nov 2014 OP
world wide wally Nov 2014 #1
Ken Burch Nov 2014 #25
MNBrewer Nov 2014 #2
heaven05 Nov 2014 #4
MNBrewer Nov 2014 #7
noiretextatique Nov 2014 #10
MNBrewer Nov 2014 #16
uppityperson Nov 2014 #13
heaven05 Nov 2014 #15
MNBrewer Nov 2014 #17
heaven05 Nov 2014 #3
love_katz Nov 2014 #5
Ccarmona Nov 2014 #6
MrScorpio Nov 2014 #8
lark Nov 2014 #9
Liberal_Dog Nov 2014 #11
turbinetree Nov 2014 #12
truedelphi Nov 2014 #23
Enthusiast Nov 2014 #30
uppityperson Nov 2014 #14
cstanleytech Nov 2014 #18
lovemydog Nov 2014 #19
cstanleytech Nov 2014 #20
lovemydog Nov 2014 #21
LineReply .
WhoIsNumberNone Nov 2014 #22
Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2014 #28
nomorenomore08 Nov 2014 #24
blkmusclmachine Nov 2014 #26
SoapBox Nov 2014 #27
Enthusiast Nov 2014 #29
sammy750 Nov 2014 #31
Xipe Totec Nov 2014 #32
JonLP24 Nov 2014 #33
SpankMe Nov 2014 #34

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 12:58 PM

1. Impeach the prosecutor… Better yet, just fire him and sue the state

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #1)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:08 AM

25. Is his position elected? He could be subject to recall if it is. n/t.

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:17 PM

2. I don't know the law. What crime should Officer Wilson have been charged with?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #2)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:44 PM

4. murder????

 

public execution?????

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #4)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:10 PM

7. So you don't know the law either, I guess.

Murder 1, 2, 3? Manslaughter?

What specific charge should have been brought against the Officer?

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:21 PM

10. what charges would have been brought against YOU?

if you shot someone in the street, and made up a bullshit story that defies logic? i do believe this was an execution, nothing less. he should be charged with murder, but that will never happen in this country.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #10)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:58 PM

16. I don't know what charges would be brought against me

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:06 PM

13. Manslaughter at the minimum, Murder 3 easily.

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Response to MNBrewer (Reply #7)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:39 PM

15. please, I shine a light

 

on you and your transparency is blinding me. Nothing according to you since you feel the system worked and was correct with it's conclusions in this case. No use talking to one of wilson's admirers, since I can draw no other conclusion given the evidence you've presented here.

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #15)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 04:00 PM

17. What evidence have I presented, other than asking *exactly* what charge should have been brought

I don't know. I'm not a DA or a lawyer.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:43 PM

3. a fucking travesty

 

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #3)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:54 PM

5. I agree with you, heaven05

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:03 PM

6. Another Case

 

of an African-American not receiving justice only because of his race, and the ever-growing police state the USA has become.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:11 PM

8. Pieyow! nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:14 PM

9. IF justice were ever in America

it has left the building. Now, the rich old white males can do anything they fucking please, kill anyone who's not another rich old white male, and there is no consequence. We've turned our police into the military and they are attacking us at will. Women, children (other than fetuses) and minorities are toast, they get no respect or justice.

The Ferguson case purely stinks to high heaven and it makes me sick that the racist can kill kids with impunity and no consequences whatsoever. I hope Darren Wilson gets everything due to him, because that's some badass karma coming his way.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:25 PM

11. K & R

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 02:32 PM

12. Lets Be Clear

This prosecutor is the only one that can present evidence, so when he decides to cherry-pick the evidence and only call what he or she wants the grand jury to hear, then this is a problem.
The defendant cannot ask any questions------none.

This grand jury took three months during this time and why it took so long the media and this justice department in that state there was what we saw and heard a smear campaign.

Grand juries are impaneled and in murder cases -usually take two weeks to indict or not to indict.

Then we see the police department go to the governor to start putting in place there police agenda of serve and protect moniker and then to top it off that information was coming from somewhere in the justice system being leaked information from this prosecutor and the police is really NOT far fetched.

It was reported his family (prosecutor) had one of there own killed while on the police force by a person of color.

The governor should have fired this prosecutor from the start to have impartially, instead of this political gamesmanship.

Every 28 minutes some one in this country is shot dead, that should be a sobering thought.
We have more deaths by a gun, than by a car accident, that is really scary to say the least

28 MINUTES SOMEONE IS KILLED By A GUN = ( 2 per Hour @ 48 per day @ 365 days = 17,520 deaths by a GUN

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Response to turbinetree (Reply #12)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 11:15 PM

23. Here in "liberal" Northern Calif, we have one police officer who has outright

Killed three individuals.

It is shoot first, worry about why you shot them later. If a cop comes up with any type of excuse, he will continue to have his paycheck, benefits and be in line for a promotion. Also, warning shots or shots that are not kill shots seem to be a thing of the past.

The way to end this is to have cameras filming every time an officer is dealing with someone in the public. Cameras are so small now; this strategy would not add extra weight to their equipment. Probably have cameras that weigh less than a pen.

When I was tabling on a local issue, a friend of mine filmed my interactions with a store security clerk, and the camera lens that friend used was not any bigger than my pinkie finger's fingernail. The security guy never knew he was being filmed! Yet the resolution of the video footage was top notch, and would have been excellent footage if I had needed it for a court case.

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Response to truedelphi (Reply #23)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:20 AM

30. +100%!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 03:07 PM

14. k&r

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:01 PM

18. I thought though that this was a state grand jury not federal?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #18)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:28 PM

19. It is. Unfortunately there are no statistics

on state grand juries. It's fair to say the large majority of them also return indictments. That is, where the prosecutor actually wanted an indictment and actually argued for a particular charge.

A distinction here is that the case involved a police officer and the local prosecutor refused to recuse himself.

The prosecutor presented the case to the grand jury in a manner very different from most cases. He allowed Wilson to present his defense. I would like to know how many other times this particular prosecutor has handled a grand jury this way, in cases involving the killing of an unarmed person. My hunch is - zero.

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Response to lovemydog (Reply #19)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 06:34 PM

20. Hmm to bad as I would give state statistics more weight than the federal since it was a state grand

jury.
That aside though what happens now? Can a new grand jury be convened or is the officer now immune from the state trying to bring it before a different grand jury?
Also what about the feds? Last I heard they werent going to do anything is that because they were waiting for the grand jury to issue its decision or is that because they dont have any evidence that the officer broke a federal law?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #20)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:16 PM

21. The officer is not entirely immune because he was never charged with a crime.

Conceivably a new prosecutor could bring charges against Wilson. It's unlikely that further State charges will be brought.

As for federal, the Department of Justice is conducting an independent investigation. It's tough to speculate since we don't know the full scope of that investigation. It's unlikely they will bring federal criminal charges against Wilson, unless they involve a civil rights violation.

The Department of Justice can recommend changes be made to the police force, and enforce it with a consent decree. This has occurred in other place like Los Angeles.

Albuquerque is currently under investigation by the Department of Justice, as there have been a large amount of cases involving excessive force by police.

Some possible outcomes of a consent decree might include more diversity on the police force that better reflects the makeup of the area, better training of officers in ways that reduce the likelihood of killing unarmed citizens, different rules of engagement when backup has been called, better hiring practices, reduction in work stresses. Things that may result in a better situation both for police and for the people for whom they serve and protect.

Hope that helps a bit cstanleytech. Have a good day.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Nov 25, 2014, 07:51 PM

22. .

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Response to WhoIsNumberNone (Reply #22)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:06 AM

28. Holy crap, that's scary...

because there's so much truth in it.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 12:03 AM

24. About the prosecutor's family... This has got to be one of the most egregious cases of favoritism

I've ever seen. Absolutely appalling.

I don't want to see anyone harmed, let alone killed, but it's not like my opinion matters. This whole thing has taken on a life of its own and God only knows where it ends.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:43 AM

26. Stinks

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 04:53 AM

27. As I watch many an asshole, burning and destroying innocent person's businesses

and property...

I want to ask every single one of them...did you FUCKING VOTE on Election Day????

Did you allow Pukes, Baggers, Racists, Bigots and Assorted Other Haters...to take office or remain in office across America, because you were too lazy to vote?

Vote these fuckers out of office...instead of burning down your own town!

I am so disgusted.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 05:18 AM

29. This was a complete miscarriage of justice from start to finish.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:12 AM

31. This prosecutor has taken 5 cop murders before the grand jury zero were charged.

Yet, all the other cases he has taken to the grand jury, all were charged. He treats cop murders different then a normal murder. The laws of MO give cops the right to kill in almost every instance of confronting a suspect. Thus, its open season for cops in MO to kill if they choose.
The real issue is that law makers need to tighten up the laws, but that is difficult, since law makers don't know much about the laws they create or pass.

The other issue is why has this prosecutor been in office so long if people are not happy with his decisions.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 08:35 AM

32. Took them just long enough so they could release the results *AFTER* the elections. nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 09:01 AM

33. Why Killer Cops Walk Free

The Brown case would be far from the most outrageous incident involving a police officer not being criminally charged for killing an unarmed person. In 2012, for example, Brian Claunch, a wheelchair-bound double amputee living in a group home in Houston, became unruly. After the cops arrived, Claunch, who had a history of mental illness, verbally threatened them from his wheelchair and waved a shiny object—a ballpoint pen. After Claunch refused to drop the pen, one of the officers shot him in the head, killing him.

Is it shocking the officer wasn’t charged? Yes. Unexpected? No. As The Texas Observer noted, between 2007 and 2012, Houston police officers shot and killed 109 people and injured another 111. How many of these shootings were deemed unjustified? Zero.

Claunch was white. I mention his race only because white people should, too, be concerned with being shot by law enforcement. In fact, the police have killed more whites than black people in recent years. But those numbers don’t paint the full picture. On a percentage basis, blacks are being shot and killed by the police in much higher numbers.

For example, as Mother Jones noted, between 2004 and 2008, Oakland police officers shot 37 people. How many were black? All of them. And even though in 40 percent of the cases the suspect was unarmed, not one police officer was charged with a crime. And Oakland is not unique here—similar numbers can be found in other big cities.

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What may be legal might not always be right. While the police may walk away scot-free, we still remember what they did. And I would predict that if we see more cases like Michael Brown or Eric Garner—the unarmed man killed in July after NYPD officers placed him in an illegal chokehold—the more negatively the police will be viewed by everyone going forward.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/26/why-killer-cops-walk-free.html

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Nov 26, 2014, 11:15 AM

34. You mean the game is rigged? Say it ain't so!! n/t

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