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Related: About this forumIs Greenwald totally embarrassing and obnoxious in this video, or not? Reminds me of a FOX TV jerk
I find his performance cringeworthy. In fact I couldn't watch more than about 8 minutes. I don't know anything about Ruth Marcus but she conducts herself really well in comparison. Greenwald's demeanor reminded me of other shit that I can't bear to watch--the fucked up rant that inspired the Tea Party:
But I'm starting to wonder if it's just me. I don't watch FOX TV, where people talk like this all the time. I don't watch reality TV, I never watched any of those shlock shows like Jerry Springer. Am I just behind the times? Is Greenwald's behavior the new normal?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)I thought Ms. Marcus was refusing to acknowledge that the American legal landscape has changed since 1971 and, as a result, Mr. Snowden will not have the opportunity to make his case for justice as Dr. Ellsworth did. While she wasn't at all infuriating in her demeanor, it's still infuriating to listen her argue her point from a position bordering on willful ignorance.
SamKnause
(13,087 posts)On the other hand Ruth Marcus proves she is totally clueless.
We must have watched different videos.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts)Response to uhnope (Original post)
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grasswire
(50,130 posts)I see a bulldog fighting for our liberties, and a tool on the other side.
I am grateful to Greenwald for his ferocious defense of our Constitutional rights.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sometimes the toilet overflows and it comes back out, this is the case here. Greenwald points out others are guilty of something so it must make Snowden innocent, no, it does not. Greenwald wants to keep peddling the story Snowden "did a great favor", to who since this information of the collection has been happening since 2006, so Bush should get credit if anyone gets credit. Snowden is a hacker, he is playing patsy to somebody or someone's, he has a lot of people fooled but he has never convinced me he is much more than a hacker and committed espionage.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Snowden and Greenwald but not with the general population. Too many lies, too many tales with both of them trying to come up with a story which will stick. If you listen closely to Greenwald he is basically saying Snowden is guilty when he brings up Clapper, Greenwald wants Clapper tried for something and Snowden should be tried also. Snowden knew to run before the information was released, somewhat admission he doesn't want to return to the US and face 30 years. Even Snowden knows this much.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Anyway I certainly hope that the thrall of cognitive dissonance isn't that prevalent
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Of reality, I will choose remain on the side of the Constitution true meaning.
Cooley Hurd
(26,877 posts)...with Tony Levin!!!!
Any other troll-worthy questions?
Cleita
(75,480 posts)news person whose judgement I trust in the journalists she brings on her show to explain issues in depth. She has Greenwald on frequently, as well as Jeremy Scahill and other brave journalists.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)I'm glad Democracy Now exists, but sometimes they show their Old Left weakness for knee-jerk anti-Americanism, which Greenwald has been riding to the bank for a long time now.
There's something seriously wrong with Greenwald:http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026064643#post8
Read this: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6052385
Greenwald has lost credibility with most serious folk
You certainly have the right to express opinion and I would fight for you to have that right.
But my impression of Amy Goodman, over years and years of observation, is that she has iron-clad integrity. If I choose to trust her, it's not because of an absence of critical thinking skills IMO.
My impression of the people on DU that always want to attack Greenwald is that they doth protest too much. (I know, that's a really shitty job of paraphrasing Shakespeare.)
'Old Left weakness for knee-jerk anti-Americanism'? Seriously dude?
'Greenwald has lost credibility with most serious folk'? I guess maybe I'm not serious then. This, of course, depends on who gets to decide who's serious.
I'm just expressing observations here, not looking to hurt anybody. I would still fight for your right to express what you're saying about Greenwald or Democracy Now.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)proven skills and integrity. Thanks.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)bonafide btw
Cleita
(75,480 posts)I often post from a mobile device that edits words before I catch them.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)It's a bit of a bizarre statement. Amy Goodman supports Greenwald so he cannot be obnoxious in the video.
It's a sidetrack, but since you went there I will briefly discuss.
Do you even know what I am referring to when I say 'Old Left weakness for knee-jerk anti-Americanism'?
It does exist. During the Cold War and the strengthening progressive movement, amid all the righteous causes, some on the left got into unfortunate, binary thinking. The US was doing horrible things in the Vietnam War, so Communism and the USSR must be good--that kind of thing. Some of them got pretty weird and emotional about it, and so blind that they actually promoted the actions of dictatorships. Imagine some progressives today defending North Korea for their "for the people" rhetoric.
Anyway, there's still some of that left in progressive circles.
See this:
Strange bedfellows: Putin, the Chomskyite left and the ghosts of the Cold War
So-called radicals who side with the Russian despot on Ukraine are stuck in a poisoned Cold War narrative
http://www.salon.com/2014/07/26/strange_bedfellows_putin_the_chomskyite_left_and_the_ghosts_of_the_cold_war/
Check this http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026041979
I also have listened to Amy Goodman for years, and am glad that Democracy Now exists, but her show definitely can slip into that.
OK that's enough time on this for me.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Greenwald and list the reasons why. Because name calling like saying he's obnoxious usually indicates you don't have much of anything valid to criticize.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)Yes, of course I think it's obvious that Greenwald is a dishonest pseudo-journalist; in fact he's already blown his own credibility to the point where that's a dead horse.
But my question was sincere--I wanted to know if those who still admire him saw anything wrong with his behavior in this video. Because if someone I admired or thought was reputable acted this way, I'd be mortified. You're not? (Your turn to be honest.)
Cleita
(75,480 posts)Frankly, how some one acts is the least of my concerns. It's what they say and GG speaks the uncomfortable truth. Frankly you putting up CNN and CNBC, known commercial propaganda news sources, doesn't help. I won't waste my time looking at them.
markpkessinger
(8,392 posts). . . invoked to shield the public from facing hard truths.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)but a fleshed-out explanation. Are you saying the Salon article is right wing? I hope not since it's a pretty balanced analysis of the issue: http://www.salon.com/2014/07/26/strange_bedfellows_putin_the_chomskyite_left_and_the_ghosts_of_the_cold_war/
Cleita
(75,480 posts)wing. depends on who is writing it. You would know that if your critical thinking skills are as sharp as you seem to think they are.
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Cleita
(75,480 posts)I suppose it doesn't occur to you that making a comparison to validate your thinking that Greenwald is a brilliant journalist by showing that other brilliant journalists also agree with what you think is a possibility?
Overseas
(12,121 posts)Marcus is pretending we are in the old days when Ellsberg could come forward and get some protection as a whistleblower.
The USA no longer protects whistleblowers.
Look at Chelsea Manning.
Look at John Kiriakou. He blew the whistle on torture and he was arrested and imprisoned while the torturers remain free.
drynberg
(1,648 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)Obama* will win. No one's going to post adoring photos of Greenwald for example.
But personality doesn't matter that much to everyone.
*And yes, I think anti-Greenwald posts are about Obama.
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)I agree with Sam, we must have watched different vids.
He was the voice of reason here. Its so frustrating, the duplicity. I don't blame him for getting frustrated. But he handled it well and made excellent points.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)You might find some agreement in the BOG. Not anywhere else.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Amazing to see the responses you are getting. People just can't recognize reality sometimes.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)This makes me love him more not less!!!!
He's brilliant.
tooeyeten
(1,074 posts)appalachiablue
(41,102 posts)why she's an insider journalist for WaPo. Watching Santelli's rant damning millions of scammed mortgage holders was far more upsetting. But what could be expected from him and a room full of hacks who promote and make their living off Wall Street fraud and greed.
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)You got it backwards! LOL
pa28
(6,145 posts)No. Not you.
razor sharp. Thanks for the chuckle.
merrily
(45,251 posts)of the two, he was the one who had something to say.