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Related: About this forumAccording to Geneva Convention, Russia is at war with Ukraine; Ukrainian female POW in Moscow prison
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/22/russia-jails-the-proof-it-is-at-war-column/22183051/
Russia currently detains 31 Ukrainian servicemembers in the same Moscow prison where the government jailed members of the punk rock band Pussy Riot, according to Moscow lawyer Mark Feygin. He represents Nadiya Savchenko, who was captured in eastern Ukraine last summer.
Iraq War veteran
Savchenko served in Iraq as part of the international coalition, and later became the first female pilot in the Ukrainian armed forces. She was on a rescue mission near Luhansk when her party was ambushed by pro-Russian separatists June 18. Two days later, she was handed over to Russian intelligence officers inside Ukraine, who transferred her across the border with a sack over her head.
Moscow disputes this version of events, initially claiming that Savchenko voluntarily crossed the Ukrainian-Russian border to ask for asylum.
However, a YouTube video came to light showing Savchenko, in uniform, being interrogated by her captors inside Ukraine while handcuffed to a pipe. It was not exactly the image of someone fleeing persecution.
Details such as Savchenko being in uniform have critical legal gravity. Under the Geneva Conventions, POWs are defined as "members of regular armed forces who profess allegiance to a government or an authority not recognized by the Detaining Power." The convention applies to any case of armed conflict between two signatory states "even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them." Thus, the fact of Savchenko being taken prisoner on active duty and winding up in a Russian jail establishes Moscow as being a party to the war, regardless of what Putin says.
Shifty story
Russia has denied Savchenko, now more than 40 days into a hunger strike, and the other detainees POW status because it would fatally compromise Putin's official story. Instead, the Kremlin has concocted a variety of criminal charges.
Savchenko's legal status underwent a bizarre evolution, from being an asylum seeker, to being questioned as a witness in a criminal case against Ukrainian officials, to "accidental detention" at a Russian hotel as a suspect. She was finally charged with directing mortar fire that resulted in the deaths of two Russian journalists, Igor Kornelyuk and Anton Voloshin, who were reporting on the fighting from inside Ukraine.
There are gaping holes in Russia's case, such as why Moscow has jurisdiction over an event in Ukraine, or what crime is committed when combat journalists are tragically caught in the crossfire of battle, or why Savchenko, a serving member of the armed forces, was culpable even if she were directing mortar fire.
Telephone records show the journalists were still alive even after Savchenko was in custody. Perhaps this will force her legal status to "evolve" once again.
Read more at http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/01/22/russia-jails-the-proof-it-is-at-war-column/22183051/
The Orwellian mindset of Putin's Russia knows no end. The POW was an asylum-seeker? But now is accused of doing something that happened after she was put in prison. God, only in Russia.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)and I am sure some here applaud Russia for kidnapping her and holding her illegally.
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)Savchenko is wanted for the murder of two Russian reporters:
Markin said it was established that Savchenko served in Ukraines armed forces and was a gunner of a Mi-24 helicopter. According to the investigators' information, Savchenko joined the Aidar battalion during military actions near Luhansk. After she got to know the whereabouts of a group of reporters of the Russian state television and radio broadcasting company (VGTRK) and other civilians near Luhansk, she shared this information with fighters. After that, mortar fire was opened precisely on the site, killing VGTRK reporters Kornelyuk and Voloshin, Markin said.
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/739721
Savchenko joined the Aidar battalion, which is a Nazi battalion.
http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)Russia is not a party to the conflict, right?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)why you would even say that.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Eko
(7,281 posts)Russia holding Ukrainian soldiers in jail. Are you really saying that because we have done some horrible things that Russia should be able to?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)own conversation, I won't need to read any more of yours.
It's just that I heard a conversation that appeared to be coming from up there on the High Horse of Self Righteousness, and it made me laugh.
bye.
Eko
(7,281 posts)you chose not to answer. Talk about high horse.
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)The US funded a violent overthrow of Ukraine's govt in Feb 2014.
They replaced the old oligarch with a new one, one that they could control.
Petro Poroshenko. He is corrupt and he also wants to eliminate Eastern Ukranians, who are mostly Russian speaking.
More than 700,000 people fled Ukraine for Russia during the countrys four months of conflict. In addition, 117,000 people have become displaced within Ukraine, according to the UNs refugee agency.
http://www.dw.de/unhcr-730000-flee-ukraine-for-russia/a-17833179
Eko
(7,281 posts)Priorities.
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)so that you know a bit more about the "soldier" you are posting about.
that "Ukranian solder" Nadezhda Savchenko joined the Aidar battalion for Neo Nazis
http://itar-tass.com/en/world/739721
The Aidar battalion is famous for committing ISIS style atrocities.
Ukrainian Nationalist Volunteers Committing 'ISIS-Style' War Crimes
BY DAMIEN SHARKOV 9/10/14 AT 12:36 PM
http://www.newsweek.com/evidence-war-crimes-committed-ukrainian-nationalist-volunteers-grows-269604
Eko
(7,281 posts)Russia news agency for your source about Nadezhda Savchenko. Good job.
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)Now I know that you're not going to try and pull that piece of bullshit rag out now!!! Are you!?!?!
Not since we ignore the shit out of it:
[CENTER] [FONT SIZE=6]EVERY GODDAMNED DAY!!!! [/FONT][/CENTER]
Drones, you've heard of those???? We use them to violate the Geneva Convention every fucking day!!!
Do you have any idea how many babies we've murdered?
Do you have any idea how many babies' mothers we've murdered?
Did we give a shit about the Geneva Convention when we did this?
Hopeless..........
Eko
(7,281 posts)to personally think that what we have done and continue to do is wrong while at the same time think that another country is wrong. Should we not talk about genocide in Africa because we committed genocide here with the American Indians? Should we shut up about slavery in the world because we had slaves? Who frames an argument like that and why are so many people defending Russia with America sucks too arguments. Its not like two countries that suck make anything right. Yes, we do wrong things, so do other people and we get to, no, we have to point that out also. Otherwise we cant care about anything else bad in the world because, hey, we suck also. For the life of me I don't understand why the Russia defenders use our crimes to negate Russia's. In parting I just want to know what the time frame is that our "we suck" can wear off after we quit doing bad stuff before we personally can think another country is doing bad things also. 1 year, 10 years, 100 years, ever?
WillYourVoteBCounted
(14,622 posts)The war in Ukraine is the result of an armed insurgency against the fascist regime in Kiev and the regime's subsequent attempts to suppress it.
If you don't understand why the current regime in Ukraine is fascist, then please read this article first:
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/2908.html
Eko
(7,281 posts)you are attributing a position to me that I have not taken, not once did I support Nazis. I can call out Russia for its transgressions without supporting Nazis. Its really not that hard to understand for most people.
Eko
(7,281 posts)"This journal consists of English translations of the articles posted on the popular Russian journal colonelcassad. The primary focus is on the war in Ukraine, although translations for other articles may be posted too." "Bullhorn of Totalitarian Propaganda".