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The GOP Is Dying Off. Literally.
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)They are going to start losing big in 2016. 2020 is a census year and we need to hold all the cards.
Third party strategy could derail us again.
MADem
(135,425 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Was listening to NPR about 3 wks ago during interview of former white supremacist RW group member. He said members of all these groups are mentally ill, criminals, drug addicted, unemployed, violent, anti-social...this is what we're up against as the 1% recruit these people to join their Getting Old Party.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Many are infected, some may recover, and some may be asymptomatic until the Republican zombie dies, when they will suddenly take over the corporate toady role.
We have to do more than cheerlead the Democratic Party--we have to clean house.
niyad
(113,086 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)their efforts to suppress the vote among minorities and women. All non-white males will be required to perform cartwheels and recite the Constitution backwards while dodging gunfire from NRA poll watchers in order to vote.
monmouth4
(9,686 posts)mountain grammy
(26,599 posts)then the 2012 election happened. Gerrymandering and local politics of voter suppression and fraud will keep the GOP in power long enough to keep them in power forever.....
The real problem is the overwhelming apathy of Americans who just don't give a shit and are too lazy to search for facts and believe both parties are the same, blah, blah, blah...
FBaggins
(26,721 posts)Yes, younger voters are more likely to vote Democrat while older voters are more likely to vote Republican. With the exception of a few tidal wave elections, that has been the case for decades.
The problem is that the older voters that lean right today are the same people who leaned left when they were the younger voters 2-4 decades ago.
The population as a whole is aging, so it's hard to spin that the older folks are passing away faster than younger voters are aging and becoming older voters.
The GOP's real demographic demise may come from the growing proportion of minority voters in the population... it won't come from aging Republicans passing away.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)People turn right when they have something to preserve, like their standard of living. Young people today face a job market where most jobs don't really pay a living wage.
And young people will be a hard sell for a 'culture war' based on homophobia and resistance to social change.
Also, that older generation - Baby Boomers mostly - came of age during the Cold War. They absorbed Cold War paranoia with their Kellog's Corn Flakes.
mountain grammy
(26,599 posts)We are retired comfortably thanks to good luck and good union jobs. Our generation may be the last. You make a good point about young people today. My generation, which probably was the last to be ahead of the one before it, are the disappointment of my life. We did say we would change the world, and in 1980, we did just that... for the worse. Luckily, we were at the front of the voodoo economics and didn't suffer as much as those behind us. The Reagan legacy will live forever..
All I can say is sorry, and I didn't vote for Reagan. Senator Warren won't say if she voted for RR, which tells me she did. She sure was no economy genius back then. I love the woman, but she is a member of my generation who helped destroy our middle class, and it's important we remember that. She should admit it and explain it.
ALBliberal
(2,334 posts)She should explain her hard left turn.
mountain grammy
(26,599 posts)What she should explain is her disastrous support of supply side economics that made the rich richer and everyone else a lot poorer. Maybe she could share what she thought Republican policies would do for America and how she and every middle class American who were suckered into voting for Reagan should understand how wrong they were. The Reagan administration turned the American dream into a nightmare, and today's Republicans are even worse.
ALBliberal
(2,334 posts)I was in business school in the early 80s and learned first hand from economic professors.what supply side economics (trickle down policies) would do to our economy. How could Warren support these disastrous policies? What precipitated that hard left turn?
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rpannier
(24,328 posts)The Republicans have shown a tremendous ability to pivot on issues to suit their agenda
The Republicans are good at spinning the newest boogey man.
Look how quickly Arabs and Muslims have become the 'natural' enemy of freedom and Democracy.
You read what was written about Poles, Irish, Slavs, Italians, etc 100+ years ago and look at today, nothing has changed.
Fall of Communism? Now it's Socialism.
Nazis and non-Christian fundamentalists are liberals.
They'll focus more on the Libertarian economic and social ethos of people like Ayn Rand, Ron and Rand Paul and Grover Norquist
They'll talk about freedom being the key to every decision they make
There will always be a certain percentage of the voting population who will be fairly rightwing
In the 60's people predicted the decline of Christianity in America and it didn't occur.
Many of those people who supposedly abandoned Christianity went from one fad/cult to another until the wound up at some church somewhere
Fundamentalism will continue to thrive until people's irrational fears of FEMA camps and other paranoia about the government ends
Today's Christian right have blended their message to the Libertarian movement -- your wealth is a sign of God's favor. The poor are lazy. etc
I've seen several polls that have shown that about 40% of middle and upper middle class Hispanics vote Republican.
So, it's not a given that Hispanics will be Democratic for the next one, two or three generations any more than white working class voters supported Democrats. Many shifted as the economy shifted.
They may not be as hard right as today's older white voters, but that doesn't mean they won't redefine what it means to be conservative
After 50 years, I have become more 'Slasher Movie' in my feelings about Republicans. They may be down. They may seem dead. But they always return for a sequel and the damage and body count is always much, much worse
mountain grammy
(26,599 posts)OnionPatch
(6,169 posts)I'm 54 and know a few that did but I know a whole lot more who were Republicans when they were young (and didn't know any better or didn't pay attention to politics) but are Democrats today. My 85 yr. old mother left the GOP forty years ago and is now the most liberal person I know.
Of course my experience is just anecdotal but I have a hard time believing the idea that people generally turn conservative as they age.
rpannier
(24,328 posts)By but, I mean they don't change at all. They may have been a pro-environmentalist, pro-choice, pro-civil rights person who opposed something like gay marriage.
As more and more people have become in favor of it, they are now in the conservative camp. Not because they shifted, but because the majority did.
Example: My father was an Eisnehower, Rockefeller, Ford, right of center Republican. As the neo-con movement has taken control of the Republican party he seems to many to be left-of-center. None of his views have really changed, the definitions and policies changed.
I think others move in one or the other directions when they perceive their views as being targets. If they're opposed to gay marriage and people call them bigots or close-minded, they begin to shift towards people who share that value. The new group reinforces their belief that gay marriage is wrong and 'reminds' them that another group they have supported (Unions or public employees or whatever) support gay marriage and they slide away from their support for that group and so on.
Look at how desegregation soured so many on the Democratic Party in the south.
IMO it's a variety of things. And as I said, some people never change, it's just the center shifted left or right
brewens
(13,547 posts)and beginning to switch to voting Republican? I'd chalk that up to some people, once they felt they had it made and were nearing retirement, switching their priorities. These new teabagger type Republicans may not appeal much to that age group of voters now. So many more are facing an uncertain future. No good secure job to stick out for a few more years and quite a few other disavantages the born again conservative types from the past didn't have to deal with.
Rozlee
(2,529 posts)If all or even most Americans exercised their right to vote, it's doubtful another Republican would ever be elected to a higher public office. If congressional districts were drawn fairly, Republicans wouldn't have won as many seats in the House or maybe wouldn't have won the House at all in 2012. Here in Texas, we have the worst voter turnout in the nation. That's mostly because we Hispanics are arrastrados and won't vote. I can attest that two thirds of my family doesn't even bother registering. They complain that it wouldn't matter anyway. Because they won't vote! Texas would be blue right now if all or most Hispanics voted.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)Hekate
(90,565 posts)And the divisive, eat-our-own, infighting continues apace here -- including snarkiness aimed at older Democrats. May I say that someone who voted for Hubert Humphrey over Richard Nixon in 1968 is not likely to be voting for Jeb Bush now.
chapdrum
(930 posts)that does not mean that they are at a disadvantage.
They control both houses.
Many of their seditious governors have been re-elected.
We know that MSM continually takes them seriously, in a way (for example) that
they will likely not take Bernie's candidacy seriously.
Damansarajaya
(625 posts)The loss of both Houses of Congress to RepubliCons?
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Gerrymandering and lazy mid-term voters made it possible.
There will be a rebalancing starting in 2016 when the GOP loses the Senate.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)Damansarajaya
(625 posts)I actually had that originally and then changed it, DUH!
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)but lots of non-voters. Somehow, Julian or Joaquin Castro need to be in the national news. Julian has been talked about for a long time as a VP candidate. I also like Joaquin for Governor of Texas within the next few years. They have been well prepared and are, like Bernie, long time Liberals.
erronis
(15,185 posts)So what if a few old white grumps shuffled off this mortal coil!
Between Diebold and the G.O.P. we can purchase enough votes to make sure this train-wreck (bad timing) is going where we want it to go.
Too bad Turd Blossom tried to economize on the last election. Old whatshisface and the tramp should have been a shoe-in. This next time we'll flood the airwaves with so much manure that there won't even be any prime time T.V.
Yours in brotherly love,
The Krochs.
chapdrum
(930 posts)well.
MADem
(135,425 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Regardless of how many teabaggers kick the bucket between now and Nov 2016 we have to work hard on getting our base to turn out. Especially with the voter suppression the teabaggers are doing these days along with the not so trusty voting machines.
Marthe48
(16,908 posts)Well said!
Gothmog
(144,945 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)instead of ideas to woe over the Republicans - then, again, that may be the only way.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)how to win them over - as I said, death seems to be the only solution
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)yuiyoshida
(41,818 posts)to CHEAT to get elected. With another BUSH running in 2016, we best watch our backs or we could see this one using the same kind of tactics to get in office. Electronic voting? I don't think so! Can you say DIEBOLT?
Hekate
(90,565 posts)SlimJimmy
(3,180 posts)louis-t
(23,273 posts)C Moon
(12,209 posts)Politicalboi
(15,189 posts)We had our asses handed to us. I like to think this is true, and for the most part it is, but they still kicked our asses in 2014.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)those. Whichever party occupies the WH can almost rest assured they're going to lose seats, because the opposition is always much more riled than the party in power. I don't care which Democrat we elect, this is an ongoing trend with Democratic voters.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)when after 12 years under GOP control, Dems took the House back (albeit briefly) under Shrub.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)That sucks when the rest of us know that there are three (3) co-equal branches of government. I'd say the Speaker of the House, and as Harry Reid showed us, the Senate Majority Leader, and the Chief Justice of the USSC have just as much power as the POTUS. But you can't get young people to understand that. They show up every four (4) years, and figure their work is done.
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)and the primaries are worse... at least around here in Philly. I expect *maybe* a 10% turnout for tomorrow's primary, although sometimes it's a tiny bit higher since it is a mayoral election year this year, but also a boatload of judges at all levels of state and municipal government!
Hekate
(90,565 posts)You know, the old God, Guns, and Gays mantra, and all the stuff (like abortion) that goes with it. Those hot-button issues generally get put on the ballot in the midterm elections, and that brings out the folks who spend a lot of time worrying about such things. While they stand there in the voting booths, they go ahead and vote for the candidates with an (R) after their names.
Why don't we do that? To the GOP's credit as a political machine, THEY have an overarching election-to-election strategy. Of course, they also cheat, but they save those big guns for presidential elections, afaict.
What the hell is wrong with the Democratic Party that we don't have an overarching strategy that covers midterm elections: to wit, reliable issues that get the rank and file riled up, plus Howard Dean's 50-State Strategy? Also what the hell is wrong with the Democratic Party that it does not have a more rigorous and vigorous strategy to combat the unConstitutional apparatus the GOP puts in place year after year to suppress the vote, miscount the vote, and so on?
It is so frustrating to me that DU, where I learned so much of this in the first place from 2002 onwards, has lost its institutional memory and impetus to work together to solve it. But that's another gripe.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)focus, almost solely, on national politics. The reason there's such a deep bench of GOP knuckleheads is that they've come up through the ranks from local elected office.
It is exasperating, to say the least, that people like Nader only pipe up every four years. Why aren't they putting their energy toward taking over school boards, city councils, and state legislatures like the GOP? That's where the most egregious stuff is happening right now (at the state level). I've never seen such blatant attempts to curtail the rights of minorities, women and voters. It's disheartening.
Marthe48
(16,908 posts)Judges, assessor, law director, county commissioners, you name it--I get in to vote and there is no Dem to vote for. And my head feels like it'll explode when the only representation in my area are a bunch of jerk-off teabaggers, which as you say, move up the ranks to more and more power, with the same narrow-minded disgusting agenda.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)It's at the local level where eventual candidates earn their chops. Let's face it, we'll never have the divisive social issues the GOP has. And if the only thing that gets progressives riled up is their distaste for war, the whole nation is screwed. The GOP has focused, with laser like precision, on taking over state houses all over the country. The presidency would be icing on the cake for them, but if you think about it, they don't have to have it to stop progress.
Faygo Kid
(21,478 posts)And as long as I'm alive, I will stand against them on many issues, but two in particular: Their support for income inequality and billionaire hedge fund managers (also inherited great wealth), and their destruction of the planet by denying climate change. I have many more issues with them, but they are now a Clear and Present Danger to our nation, our planet, and honest discourse. Bought and paid for. Got to get rid of Citizens United, just as a start.
Initech
(100,043 posts)But we live in an era where the billionaire class can buy and sell politicians like people trade baseball cards. I expect that we can take the presidency, but expect Congress to remain the same.
cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)more difficult for people to vote because they know they are going to keep losing voters as they die off.
DemoTex
(25,391 posts)Well played, Earl G!
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)I heard recently that O'Reilly's average listener/viewer is in their 70's.
Hotler
(11,396 posts)LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)let alone reproduce with one
pansypoo53219
(20,955 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)because sorry to say, the democrats have not wlecomed in younger voters, but instead bent over backwords to cater to those former Boomers that decided to sell out and became Yuppies.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,222 posts)by Jeffrey M. Jones
PRINCETON, NJ -- Young adults -- those between the ages of 18 and 29 -- have typically aligned themselves with the Democratic Party, but they have become substantially more likely to do so since 2006.
From 1993 to 2003, 47% of 18- to 29-year-olds, on average, identified as Democrats or said they were independents but leaned to the Democratic Party, while 42% were Republicans or Republican leaners. That time span included two years in which young adults tilted Republican, 1994 and 1995, when Republicans won control of Congress. Since 2006, the average gap in favor of the Democratic Party among young adults has been 18 percentage points, 54% to 36%.
This Democratic movement among the young has come at a time when senior citizens have become more Republican. The broader U.S. population has shown more variability in its party preferences in recent years, shifting Democratic from 2005 to 2008, moving back toward the Republican Party from 2009 to 2011, and showing modest Democratic preferences in the last two years.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/168125/young-americans-affinity-democratic-party-grown.aspx
TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)Easy solution: See to it that the traditional Democratic party base death rate matches it.
1. Start more wars. (kill off more young people.)
2. Tell police to start shooting people of color on sight.
3. Voter caging (always a favorite).
Problem solved
Tom Ripley
(4,945 posts)captainarizona
(363 posts)Every month a 100,000 minority kids turn 18 thats voting age and many thousands of republicans die off to burn in hell. Democrats should be making sure they are registered to vote in stead of whining about dark money!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Also, I believe I read on the DU that the right to contraceptions and right to an abortion is being killed off because of:
1. Gays;
2. White race becoming a minority group;
3. To insure that new republican babies are born to keep the political party afloat;
4. To keep whites in control and the minorities be the sacrifices, i.e. unlimited wars, slavery; and . . .
And Yes, the Republican Party are extremely paranoid.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)but our corporate masters don't care, as they've managed to homogenize the parties over the years. Yes, there are differences, especially in the realm of social justice, which WorldCorp doesn't give a rat's ass about.
polynomial
(750 posts)The Republican Party is morphing into a relation between criminal and a swindling economic force that matches the warning about the military industrial complex Eisenhower suggested decades ago.
No one has the courage to build America without a war. War is better because its easy to control the population via being patriotic plus profiteer under the vail of secrecy.
Well illustrated by military toys now in local police box of tools.
The Republicans have chosen a simple principle of choice, lie to the electorate, or any real Democratic person. The media is Republican if you havent figured it out yet.
The media does not report news they steer it to write history. If the media ever reported more about individual grievances submitted to the government and trailed its journey through the Congress all kinds of social issues would be very different. The media only talks about shooting people and not about grievances submitted to Congress.
This area of choice is a selective synthesis, as we all observe in amazement every election is loaded with wave of media noise, usually some type of new noise, a noise different than any one grievance, an idea is usually pitched out that scares many to vote against their interest.
Notice I use the term Real Democrat. For there is such a mix of Republicans parading around as Democratic minded but they are not, or vice versa. So many comments about both political parties act as one is true in many instants.
The real kicker is the now so called imperfect knowledge, that "intelligence" needed to make decisions. Americans are now finding themselves voting for people who have a proven complicated character without fore sight of the end to be attained.
Americans have voted for Bush who openly said the Constitution is just a piece paper illustrates the abandonment to law in the first Amendment which are the basics for any union movement. Many, governors now openly thwarting those basic to the Constitution and very naive Americans vote against their Constitutional rights, America is a very confused society.
czarjak
(11,254 posts)"That's a good thing."
Hulk
(6,699 posts)All my older siblings are repuKKKes. Just this weekend I went over to one sister's house, and there they sit, in front of a HUGE flat screen with fox-bullshit being pumped into their veins. What was really pathetic is my brother-in-law is suffering from Alzheimer's, and is at a pretty far advanced stage. He can go to an invent, and when he comes out, he might ask what all these people are doing here. That far.
In any case, my sister has him sitting in front of fox-bullshit, with bill-o's bull shit special in his hands, "killing lincoln". How sad is that. The poor guy can't remember if he had breakfast, but he's being pumped with bill-o's nonsense until his last moments of consciousness. Sad, just really sad.
All of them, three sisters and one brother, are STAUNCH repuKKKes. The one has been since she got married when she was in her late teens. But the other three have been indoctrinated by friends and selfishness. "Anything to hang on to every fookin' dime" they have stashed away in their bank, their 401's, or under their beds. We are talking disgustingly selfish outlook on the rest of the citizens and this country. "Me". That's what it's all about. Two of the four are devote practicing KKKristians. How pathetic is that!
AirmensMom
(14,637 posts)They are so "holy" that they wouldn't vote anything other than Republican. It's God and gays that they care about. I live among them. There's barely a sane, intelligent woman in this area. They cannot be reasoned with. Even the ones on disability and/or got health insurance through ACA will vote against their own interests and then blame it on the government when they lose those benefits, without ever realizing that they helped make it happen. They despise poor people, even when they are collecting benefits. They hate the OTHER poor people. You know, the ones who "won't work". And they make their lies go viral on FaceBook. Don't fool yourself. The GOP is here to stay as long as they can convince the bible thumpers that the other side is going to burn in hell...based on the Old Testament, not on anything Jesus actually said.
I'm mentioning the women because conservatives pick on them so much, yet they still vote Republican. I am convinced that conservative women have Stockholm Syndrome. Every.One.Of.Them. We already know the straight white men vote Republican. Around here, it's all of them, young, old, and in-between (and even the Democrats vote Republican if the candidate is black). They're terrified of gay people. It's an abomination, don't ya know, if you're practiced in cherry picking your good book. I'm guessing it might change if they had to get something shoved up their penises in order to buy Viagra or were paid less than women. I could be wrong.
Yes, living in this conservative cesspool has made me cynical.
Beartracks
(12,801 posts)Beartracks
(12,801 posts)I think it's funny when Republicans claim that the dozens of candidates hopping aboard their Presidential Clown Car means that there will be "more ideas" to appeal to a broader range of voters. Laughable. In reality, if the GOP wanted to appeal to a broader range of voters, and especially younger voters, then they'd have to adopt so many new planks in their platform they would no longer be Republicans.
It's weird, because the GOP used to have at least a few fairly liberal ideas and ideals back in the day... but we've watched them get sloughed off in favor of ever-more-conservative thought over the last 40 years or so. So apparently the Republican Party CAN change.... but only to become "more Republican" -- more conservative, more fearful, more aggressive, more ideologically pure, more resentful of facts and history... that is, the Tea Party.
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calimary
(81,127 posts)SleeplessinSoCal
(9,088 posts)And goose Republicans into voting out of desperation.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)But I don't expect to do so very soon.
Frankly, I hope some of the more conservative and corporatist members of the democratic party will move over toward the G.O.P. And hopefully make room for many of the more leftist people to actually start running the democratic party. I'll really believe there's a shift when I actually start seeing mainstream democrats reducing military spending and putting far more into public education and infrastructure repair.
On a more humorous note, they will have trouble getting out the vote when most of their demographic can barely even get out of the house, or change the channel away from Fox 'News.' Good riddance to those mofos.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)If you don't have enough votes, don't let anyone vote.
underpants
(182,632 posts)caballojm
(270 posts)and accepting of others. Maybe they'll stop representing only the 1%, take their responsibilities seriously, drop their war on minorities, the poor, the middle class, and women, and begin to do the things that are best for the country.
Wow! it was so hard to keep a straight face through that. My computer even started smoking halfway through those first two sentences.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)If they increase college tuition fees and obsessed with abortion then the young won't want them. Young people can't identify with the likes of rich people like Romney, Walker etc.
LiberalElite
(14,691 posts)if I read this one more time- it's painful to always read it's always dying. I want to read that it's DEAD. GONE. HISTORY. I no longer believe I will live to see this happen. (And I'm not that old and ooking at imminent death AFAIK)
Phlem
(6,323 posts)Some of my high school friends found me on FB, they freak me out. Your "die off" scenario might take a while. I do like the premise.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,007 posts)just sayin'
panfluteman
(2,062 posts)What you have become as the demographics of this country have shifted is the sorriest excuse for a political party there could ever be. Back in the Reagan era, you invented your voodoo "trickle down" economic hocus-pocus as an elaborate excuse and rationalization for giving the filthy rich money and resources they didn't need, which they would never use in a proper and constructive manner anyway. Now, your reverse Robin Hooding to the rich has become bold faced and shameless as you have dispensed with any theoretical excuses or rationalizations whatsoever. The only reason you are in Washington is to be accomplices in a heist, assisting the greedy rich vultures as they tear apart the carcass of this once great nation, bit by bit. Perhaps the most vivid example of this was their slashing of Amtrak funding less than a day after one of the worst Amtrak train wrecks in recent years, and the painfully obvious need for an infrastructure upgrade that this pointed to.
War, and Republicans - what are you good for? Absolutely nothing - except facilitating the heisting and destruction of our country! And to feed the vultures of the Military Industrial Complex, you also propose endless war. Send the poor young boys off to die in endless foreign wars, while you funnel taxpayer dollars straight into the pockets of the military contractors and arms dealers. This kills two birds with one stone - sends the poor off to die, decreasing their numbers in the voting booth, and makes your rich buddies richer.
As God is my witness, you Republithugs have tried every dirty trick known to man to win elections, and to steal them when you couldn't win them. You have done everything possible but what you should have been doing - reinventing yourselves and your policy priorities to be relevant to and address the real needs of the American voter. You have opened the floodgates of our political system to an endless deluge of corporate dark money, and when that wasn't sufficient, you have tried shameless spin doctoring and demagoguery, vicious political attacks and smearing, blackmailing our president and holding the country hostage, tortuously contorted gerrymandered congressional districts, installing and rigging electronic voting machines, enacting voter suppression laws, and the list goes on an on...
You have failed to grow and evolve with the changing generational and political landscape and environment, and now, like the dinosaurs you are, you must stagger off into the sunset of American political history, hopefully to be replaced by another political party that can really address the needs and concerns of the American voter. All the corporate cash in the world cannot remedy your sheer ignorance, incompetence in governing, and total irrelevance to solving the very real problems of this nation.
Martin Eden
(12,847 posts)And we need to get them engaged in their own governance so we don't lose them to the corporate infotainment propaganda industry.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I hope younger folks see the direct results in political involvement in every way - locally and at state and federal levels. They have a lot of great ideas, a lot of energy and a strong desire to make the world better for themselves & their children. I especially hope they don't turn to apathy or cynicism. Their involvement is paramount to making our country and the world a much better more inhabitable place for everyone.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)And more schemes to steal national elections, like states wanting to divy up the electoral votes by district rather than winner take all.
So, good news but a lot of work to do.
IHateTheGOP
(1,059 posts)HURRY UP and die!!! The country needs you!