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Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:50 PM

 

What do you think? Clinton on Qaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died"



I'm curious about what people think about this. I know what I think.

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Reply What do you think? Clinton on Qaddafi: "We came, we saw, he died" (Original post)
uhnope Jul 2015 OP
peacebird Jul 2015 #1
Alfalfa Aug 2015 #26
Scootaloo Jul 2015 #2
passiveporcupine Jul 2015 #23
uhnope Aug 2015 #25
Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #3
A Simple Game Jul 2015 #6
RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #12
Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #13
A Simple Game Jul 2015 #14
Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #16
A Simple Game Jul 2015 #17
Agnosticsherbet Jul 2015 #18
A Simple Game Jul 2015 #19
erronis Jul 2015 #21
Alfalfa Aug 2015 #27
Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #30
onyourleft Jul 2015 #4
Geronimoe Jul 2015 #5
smknz Jul 2015 #7
arcane1 Jul 2015 #8
RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #9
djean111 Aug 2015 #28
RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #29
Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #10
zeemike Jul 2015 #11
alcina Jul 2015 #20
tularetom Jul 2015 #15
nationalize the fed Jul 2015 #22
cpwm17 Jul 2015 #24

Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:51 PM

1. Disgusting. Sociopathic "humour"

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:42 AM

26. Totally inappropriate and a shocking lapse of judgement

 

For her to think that privately is bad enough, but to say it out loud is just incomprehensible.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:57 PM

2. I think I would earn a fresh hide if I said what I see there.

 

Suffice it to say that the scene makes me more than a little queasy.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:29 PM

23. Yep, me too

that was pretty ugly.

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:38 AM

25. It got hidden the first time I posted it

 

because I wrote what I thought about it

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 01:57 PM

3. Qaddifi as a sociopathic dictator who murdered at will. Fuck him.

I have no problem with that comment.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:13 PM

6. So are you also good with the fact the US and NATO probably killed some of

his children and grandchildren?

And when Gaddafi did his killing do you suppose he was grinning from ear to ear in joy?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:50 PM

12. Serves them right for being the children and grandchildren of a monster

They should've made a wiser choice.

(Sad that I had to include this, but I thought I'd better.)

Although we're predisposed to be more sympathetic to people within our own sphere (whatever that means -- and the definition varies), it appalls me at how callous some are about the lives of people who live far away or happen to be part of a different race, class, or culture.

In the past, we were inculcated with the propaganda, "They don't have the same respect for human life as you and I." Although that blatant bigotry can probably no longer be uttered aloud in polite society, it seems to live on as an undercurrent.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:03 PM

13. I remember PanAm flight 103

Which is why we are told never to accept baggage packed by someone else.

Two hundred fifty-nine people on board the New York-bound Boeing 747 were killed, along with 11 people on the ground. These people weren't at war, they didn't know Gaddafi from a donut.

I would prefer he had been arrested and tried for Crimes Against Humanity. He failed to have sufficient humanity to surrender himself to the courts. And when war came to him he kept his family close.

Sadly, it came to war. Innocents always die in wars. It is why we should to work to make war as unlikely as humanly possible.

But, no, I don't grieve for him and I see nothing wrong with the comment.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:15 PM

14. I see your point, so that means you must condemn the shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655

and would support the leader of the country that did so being on trial for crimes against humanity.

All 290 on board, including 66 children and 16 crew, died. So if body count is what you judge by this was an even more egregious act of terror.

Want me to cite some more incidents?

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:33 PM

16. Personally, I think the commanding officer of the USS Vincennes should have faced a

Court martial. There was evidence that the captain acted irresponsibly in entering Iranian waters and the crew was woefully untrained.

They misidentified the flight, and though they attempted to contact the aircraft six times, I think the Commanding officer's decision to fire warranted the severest penalties.

The difference between the two is that there remains evidence from an a member of Libyan government that Gaddafi was directly involved in the planning and decision making for PanAm 103.

The President was not involved in the attack on Air Flight 655.

Also, I will note that there were no real military tension between the British Isles and Libya

There is a lot of material written about PanAm 103 and Air Flight 655. Try reading about them.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:40 PM

17. You shouldn't assume you are the only one that doesn't know about these incidents, some of us

keep abreast of current events when they are happening.

So Commanding officers decide where they will patrol all by themselves, interesting take. I thought they probably had orders to patrol that area of the world. Myself I would patrol around Hawaii, that is if the choice were mine to make.

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:50 PM

18. I was in the Navy at the time, though not on that ship.

So I am aware what the line of responsibility was for that incident.

There is a difference between planning, in advance, to blow up an airliner over a peaceful country and a monumental fuckup by a commanding officer on a ship.

But, opinions my vary.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:56 PM

19. Then you are aware that most times the line of responsibility stops just below the person with

enough power to stop it.

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Response to Agnosticsherbet (Reply #3)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 11:44 AM

27. There are a lot of sociopathic dictators out there

 

Who we're best buddies with until we don't need them anymore. His death was nothing more than a mob hit.

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Response to Alfalfa (Reply #27)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 02:07 PM

30. Amazingly, we weren't best buds, and we were involved

in a conflict supporting rebels and NATO.

I don't think we should just go on a tear and kill them all. I do think whe the people of a nation seek our aid to overthrow one, we should aid them in whatver way we can.

In all the coflices we have been in, this is the one that I agreed with, or the most part.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:11 PM

4. That was an...

...inappropriate comment. It should never have been said in public.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:12 PM

5. Cheney

 

She is Cheney in a lady pant suit.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:13 PM

7. Clinton on Qaddafi

 

I think it's very telling regarding the type of person Mrs Clinton is. Besides being a sociopath herself she's a complete fraud and a closet republican. If democrats make her the democratic contender, it won't be because they were tricked, as her true belief's and allegiances have been well documented for over a decade now.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:13 PM

8. I'll go with "unprofessional" n/t

 

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:33 PM

9. Perhaps she was "sleep deprived." She's had that problem before. n/t

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:08 PM

28. Just what I want in a president - someone who says things like that when they are "sleep-deprived".

 

Apologies if you are being sarcastic.

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Response to djean111 (Reply #28)

Sat Aug 1, 2015, 12:33 PM

29. I was being sarcastic

I was alluding to her explanation for why she told her famous and demonstrably false story of landing in Bosnia under sniper fire.

Unfortunately, she shared this fiction more than once, which made her excuse that much harder to accept.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:35 PM

10. factoid: Qaddafi was anally raped by NATO backed gangs before being killed

 



I guess Hillary thinks that is LOL Funny

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 02:47 PM

11. The end justifies the means is now official policy..

And yes Hillary thinks it is funny.

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Response to Cheese Sandwich (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 04:52 PM

20. I think it's more fact than factoid

There's a video, which you can google. But I didn't watch it, so I can't be attest to the content.

Shudder.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 03:19 PM

15. I think that electing that hack president would undo the progress Obama has made on foreign pollcy

And we'd be back to the "USA! USA! We'll kick your ass!!" days.

To tell you the truth, it doesn't sound so different from something Trump might say.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:13 PM

22. Fits right in

This is her "mentor"- the first female Sec.of State



John Pilger on "Paying the price"





"The Undertakers"- bombing and invading and killing their way around the world- blowback isn't in their vocabulary.

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Response to uhnope (Original post)

Fri Jul 31, 2015, 05:38 PM

24. I totally despise what she stands for

 

and I could never vote for her in under any circumstance. Crap like this is why, and crap like this is why I don't vote Republican.

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