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Tue May 15, 2012, 07:46 PM

GOP Base Realizes the Party Candidate is a Mormon

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Reply GOP Base Realizes the Party Candidate is a Mormon (Original post)
Galraedia May 2012 OP
Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #1
freshwest May 2012 #7
Rosa Luxemburg May 2012 #13
Kalidurga May 2012 #2
obxhead May 2012 #4
recallfitz May 2012 #3
PatrynXX May 2012 #5
cprise May 2012 #8
protect our future May 2012 #10
JNelson6563 May 2012 #12
protect our future May 2012 #16
JNelson6563 May 2012 #17
protect our future May 2012 #18
JNelson6563 May 2012 #19
protect our future May 2012 #20
JNelson6563 May 2012 #21
gejohnston May 2012 #11
eyewall May 2012 #6
freshwest May 2012 #15
eyewall May 2012 #22
freshwest May 2012 #23
cprise May 2012 #9
freshwest May 2012 #14

Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 07:52 PM

1. How do Republican voters view Mormons?

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #1)

Tue May 15, 2012, 09:27 PM

7. Suspect they deal with Mormons the way we deal with their characterization of the left and Muslims.

The wacko right like World Nut Daily says Democrats have a special love for Muslims. Since they paint them all with the same brush, and some are 'Islamofascists' according to right wing mythology, that's why we are closet fascists, too.

The Democratic Party is mostly secularist because that is where we can all come together to work to make things better for everyone. We believe we have no business telling anyone what to believe or not believe, and have no dog in these religious fights. If they take that tack regarding Mormons, Republicans may have actually understood tthe First Amendment and what Kennedy said.

There was a video here some time back with Romney looking quite reasonable in an interview with a far right religious pundit. In it he said he would follow the law of the land, not his own personal beliefs, just as Kennedy said:



The war on women and gays is more from the Teabaggers, half of whom are Randians. But then we have Mormons, Catholics and Muslims who are not willing to give full rights to these groups either; or so we have been led to believe, but we know some don't support their dogma.

There are similarities between those religious cults and the Ayn Rand libertarians that regard a significant part of the human race not worthy to live, and that's the danger.

Whether they call the unworthies infidels, 'parasites,' welfare queens, whatever. That partly removes religion out of the equation. So I believe they will give him a pass, since they can't vote for Obama for reasons economic and religious and he's rich. That's a winner in both groups.

He's 'a statist/NWO destroyer of 'freedom and liberty' for the libertarians and Paulies for his hidden socialism.

To the religious right/apocalyptic cults, he's the anti-Christ and is coming to get them in his next term. So they ain't gonna vote for him.

Thus Romney wins their votes. Greed or God, take your pick, they'll show up for Mittens. Just MHO, though.

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Response to freshwest (Reply #7)

Wed May 16, 2012, 05:02 PM

13. I think you are right about the greed

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 08:05 PM

2. Mitt Romney is so stupid...

He can't even spell Moron right.

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Response to Kalidurga (Reply #2)

Tue May 15, 2012, 08:15 PM

4. DUzy!

 

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 08:09 PM

3. Romeny is in a cult

It is my understanding that Christians in the bible belt consider Mormonism to be a cult more than a mainstream religion.

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Response to recallfitz (Reply #3)

Tue May 15, 2012, 09:11 PM

5. yep

they don't consider Islam a Cult though. ironic?


scientology is a cult as well. having grown up Lutheran. some I know are sitting this year out or voting third party.

Frankly although Scientology is just about money. it's safer than Mormonism.

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Response to recallfitz (Reply #3)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:08 PM

8. A good question would be:

Is it harder to enter a fundamentalist mosque or an LDS temple? Sounds to me like it might be the latter.

AFAIK Mormonism is a closed/secret religious society that requires strict obedience to the LDS president. That fits with what most reasonable people understand to be a cult (and I'm sure there are plenty of Mormons who realize it or try to rationalize the fact).

The LDS church was also founded under the prophecy that one day a Mormon would be elected US president in order that their church could take over the US government.

Progressives should not be facile toward religious cults in the name of political correctness. And if you are going to make any exceptions, definitely not with this one.

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Response to cprise (Reply #8)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:48 PM

10. About requiring strict obedience

to the LDS president: Mormonism requires obedience to the teachings of Jesus Christ as revealed in the Bible. As with other religions, however, there is much picking and choosing. And Jesus' teachings are often open to interpretation, so various religions would have their own particular take on those teachings.

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Response to protect our future (Reply #10)

Wed May 16, 2012, 04:09 AM

12. Seems to me the emphasis is far more on the Book of Mormon

And frankly it reads like a drunken, not particularly literate plagiarist was doing their best to continue the King James version of the bible.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #12)

Thu May 17, 2012, 01:28 AM

16. I suppose the emphasis falls on

whatever scripture is being studied in church at any particular time. For example, in 2011 we studied the New Testament. In 2012 we're discussing the Book of Mormon. I'm speaking now merely as a member who attends services, not as someone who reads whatever is published, whatever is found on the internet, or whatever the media focuses on concerning the LDS Church. Certainly, just because we do use the Book of Mormon--which seems to cause people of other faiths/people of no faith to verbally go on the attack-- that is what most everyone wants to talk about. Why, I imagine quite a few DUers here are surprised to learn we believe in Jesus as our savior and we even believe in the Bible.

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Response to protect our future (Reply #16)

Thu May 17, 2012, 08:03 AM

17. Most churches change focus

I know for instance the Catholic church provides different biblical reading for each service/Mass. Pretty common stuff.

You said: Certainly, just because we do use the Book of Mormon--which seems to cause people of other faiths/people of no faith to verbally go on the attack-- that is what most everyone wants to talk about.

I have read the bible pretty thoroughly. After doing so I came away wondering how anyone can consider such material to be enlightened. I read the Book of Mormon when a couple of teen-age "elders" (you have a penis? you have authority!1!) came to my door to save me. I was even more astounded that any thinking adult could read that and think it in any way enlightened.

The bible is one thing, I mean we are talking iron-age wisdom here so at least the bible has a viable excuse for it's lunacy. The BoM was from the 1800's. And, making it all the more incredible (as in not easy to believe), the angel Moroni dictated the BoM in Elizabethan English! lolz

Yeah, you keep dragging that cross about over the "attacks" you endure for the BoM. Keep believing it's because the BoM is just too fresh, too new, too enlightened for the rest of mankind to "get" so they lash out in their ignorance. Don't you believe for one minute that they think it's an unenlightened outlandish piece of fiction and they think only fools would fall for that. No, don't even give that sort of thing a moment's consideration. You hang in there, you'll probably get your own planet for all the suffering you do for the lord and all!

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #17)

Thu May 17, 2012, 12:51 PM

18. Wow!

Very interesting post; I'll try to respond to it tonight (I have a life and it insists on intervening). Also I have no penis but there definitely are occasions when having one would be an asset, lol.

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Response to protect our future (Reply #18)

Thu May 17, 2012, 02:05 PM

19. Sadly, you probably shouldn't bother.

If you took the bit about the penis=authority to be meant toward/about you then further discussion would be pointless. It was about the view of Mormonism but that's ok. If you're buying into the Mormon doctrine whole-heartedly you will either continue to not get points or will remain deliberately obtuse, whichever it is you're doing now.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #19)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:36 AM

20. Okay, I won't bother.

But perhaps you might learn something if I did bother; I might learn something from you as well. In any case, I think we could have had a lively discussion. I made the remark about the penis simply because I thought your assessment was unique and I appreciated your originality. Bye now.

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Response to protect our future (Reply #20)

Fri May 18, 2012, 07:29 AM

21. Interested in learning?

You might want to consider reading some of this poster's stuff....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002696965#post11

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Response to cprise (Reply #8)

Wed May 16, 2012, 12:46 AM

11. the temple is not the same as a church

but basically, the President is kind of like the Pope. Like any other group, some are strict observers, some are not so observant, aka "jack Mormons".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Mormon
My father was probably a Jack Mormon (my mother was a Methodist. I was raised kind of both, but am neither.)

The LDS church was also founded under the prophecy that one day a Mormon would be elected US president in order that their church could take over the US government.
Where did you read this? Not something I learned in Primary.

Progressives should not be facile toward religious cults in the name of political correctness. And if you are going to make any exceptions, definitely not with this one.
So are you saying that progressives should be as bigoted as the right?

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 09:25 PM

6. That woman is frightening.

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Response to eyewall (Reply #6)

Wed May 16, 2012, 06:34 PM

15. Not as frightening as the Addicting Info link downthread! WOW!

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Response to freshwest (Reply #15)

Fri May 18, 2012, 01:53 PM

22. I agree the Mormon cult prophecy is a scary avenue to go down, however

I don't believe that any president could wield the kind of power that would make this possible. Grover Norquist made it clear enough that Romney was a perfect rubber stamp. He would only sign legislation that was handed to him by Congress or the back room govt, he wouldn't be initiating any policy on his own.

I don't see a contingent of Mormon's in powerful positions within the govt that could pull off a coup d'etat unseating the existing RNC power structure (which in itself may be scarier than the Mormons).

I think a lot of anti-mormon sentiment will motivate dialog in this election just as anti-black sentiment will again inspire attacks against President Obama.

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Response to eyewall (Reply #22)

Sat May 19, 2012, 02:42 PM

23. I don't want anti-Mormon/etc. rhetoric; it only increases a feeling of victimhood and separation.

But we had GWB, his administration and many of the GOP followers who believe in something written in books long ago and not in life.

Real life, full of many kinds of people, flora and fauna, and a wonderful place we have all come to know as our home. Their vision of their alleged past/future, and their being the ulitmate winner in a metaphysical game of survival, is much more important than what we are and could. By ignoring and disrespecting the beauty and freedom that exist around them and the rest of us, is going to destroy it.

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Response to Galraedia (Original post)

Tue May 15, 2012, 10:13 PM

9. here's an interesting DU post

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Response to cprise (Reply #9)

Wed May 16, 2012, 06:32 PM

14. That is so disturbing, I just went to Addicting Info to get it all. But M$M says nothing!

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