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Minister Louis Farrakhan Talks Issues That Directly Effect The Black Community & More (Original Post) FrodosPet Oct 2015 OP
Farrakkhan (pbuh) know of what he speaks mwrguy Oct 2015 #1
4 minutes in to the first video he is already blaming the Jews. Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #2
Well, in response I must ask... DAngelo136 Oct 2015 #3
"and decide for myself whether or not they're valid." < Exactly jtuck004 Oct 2015 #4
Correcting a number of mistakes and assumptions Behind the Aegis Oct 2015 #5

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
2. 4 minutes in to the first video he is already blaming the Jews.
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 02:22 AM
Oct 2015

He is an anti-Semitic POS. He is also a raging homophobe. Listening to him refer to himself in 3rd person demonstrates something about him. The sexist drivel is amazing in its bigotry.

DAngelo136

(264 posts)
3. Well, in response I must ask...
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 06:49 AM
Oct 2015

If you are denying that there is a Jewish lobby that defends Jews and their interests?
While there may be no such thing as Santa Claus, there is such a thing as AIPAC, Virginia and they have a lot of influence over American foreign policy, especially in the Middle East
(http://fpif.org/10-reasons-im-praying-aipacs-decline/)

Now I can't find fault with Jewish Nationalism (Zionism) in and of itself as Theodor Hertzl conceptualized it but, let's not ignore the inconvenient truth that there are Jewish extremists as well (http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/07/middleeast/israel-right-wing-jewish-extremism/)
Now my view is the same as the late, great liberal blogger, Bartcop
(http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1689160&mesg_id=1689999)

Now let's be clear, no one should be denied equal protection under the law because of their ethnicity, gender, skin color, physical disabilities, immigration status, religious belief, gender assignment or preference in gender of consenting adult they wish to cohabitate and/or have sex with. Having said that, that doesn't mean that it will be universally liked or accepted. Minister Farrakhan is an adherent to a religious viewpoint that does not accept homosexuality as a viable ( as far as Black people are concerned) or legitimate lifestyle choice. To the extent that Minister Farrakhan affects your life, you can keep in regard or disregard his beliefs as you see fit. I just wouldn't expect an endorsement from him anytime soon any more than from Pope Francis or Archbishop of Canterbury Welby or many other leaders of sects of Abrahamic religions. Sorry, not gonna happen.

As for his third person reference; If he would have said "I" constantly, you would have probably accused him of being egocentric. But would be presumptuous on my part. While it may be irritating, I understand the purpose of it; the issue is Farrakhan the image of what has been put out there but not the man himself.

But all this takes away from the what's important to ME, as a Black American; what are the issues that directly affect Black people in America? While your feelings are your own, they're really not as important as to what directly affects me. Which is what the Minister addresses. To borrow a phrase: "What is good for thee, is not necessarily good for me." So you'll have to excuse me while I listen to the Minister's words and decide for myself whether or not they're valid.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
4. "and decide for myself whether or not they're valid." < Exactly
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 12:03 PM
Oct 2015

You do seem to excuse his bigotry and homophobia rather easily, however.

"Sorry, not gonna happen."

That may be true as long as people do not hold them to account for a position that hurts and bullies others.

As as long as that bigotry is excused, the bigotry that makes one have to tell their black kids they have a target on their back every day, that there really is NO answer to "Then how should I act, Dad, Mom, to avoid getting killed?, is also dismissed, sometimes with fatal results.

You wrote > " To borrow a phrase: "What is good for thee, is not necessarily good for me."

Let me give you a couple of others.

"An injury to one is an injury to all" <--Older than the trees, but the slogan of the IWW.

and one you may already know...

The most potent weapon of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.
Steven Biko

Phrases are good.

Behind the Aegis

(53,921 posts)
5. Correcting a number of mistakes and assumptions
Tue Oct 13, 2015, 04:28 PM
Oct 2015

No one was speaking of AIPAC. It is not "the Jewish Lobby." You are conflating two things, Jews and Israel. AIPAC is concerned with the relations between the US and Israel, and therefore, is often involved in situations where that relationship is concerned. However, that is not the only or even major concern for Jews, therefore calling AIPAC, "the Jewish Lobby", is ignorant at best, bigoted at worst. So, no, Virginia, there isn't a "Jewish Lobby" any more than there is a Santa Claus. Like AIPAC, Zionism wasn't the topic, either. And, of course, I never said there weren't Jewish extremists, but that is no more germane to the topic of Farrakhan's anti-Semitism then discussing the racism of David Duke and someone pointing out there are African-American extremists. I was commenting on his anti-Semitism, his bigotry against Jews...not Judaism, not Israel, not Zionism, and not AIPAC.

Minister Farrakhan is an adherent to a religious viewpoint that does not accept homosexuality as a viable ( as far as Black people are concerned) or legitimate lifestyle choice.


Guess what? That doesn't change the fact it is still a bigoted point of view. Being gay isn't a "lifestyle choice" anymore than your being Africa-American is one. His homophobic remarks are almost as numerous as his anti-Semitic ones. His approval of GLBT is neither required nor desired. However, defending, or rather making excuses for, his bigotry is no different than those who do it for the Pope. I will continue to point out his, and others, homophobia when I encounter it.

As for his third person reference; If he would have said "I" constantly, you would have probably accused him of being egocentric. But would be presumptuous on my part.


It is presumptuous and incorrect. I understand the difference when he is talking about "Farrakhan(tm)" and referring to himself in third person. It is arrogant and pompous, but that is only a minor point of irritation; his rancid bigotry is much more of a concern to me.

But all this takes away from the what's important to ME, as a Black American; what are the issues that directly affect Black people in America?


No, it doesn't. That's bullshit. I didn't say anything about his message to AA people, nor did I criticize his messages in regards to improvement to the AA community, as a whole. I commented on his bigotry. He is an anti-Semitic homophobe or homophobic anti-Semite, which ever is more 'appealing' to say.

While your feelings are your own, they're really not as important as to what directly affects me.


I could say the same to you. Your feelings are not the issue, nor are they more important than what affects me and that is cultivating an atmosphere of hate and bigotry. I never touched on what that bigot said in regards to AA folk, nor did I discuss any particular points about the direction the AA community should take based on what he is saying. I will repeat, once again, this is about his BIGTORY. He is anti-Semitic. He is homophobic. He is a sexist. He may have good messages, even ones which are positive, but then again, so does the Pope, and I will also say he is homophobic and sexist (I haven't seen anything which leads me to believe he is anti-Semitic). So you can decide what is valid in regards to your community, I will decide for my various communities, which of his words are bigoted toward me and mine.

To borrow a phrase: "What is good for thee, is not necessarily good for me."


Bigotry is never good. Improvement and concern for the African-American community is not in question; as they do better, we all do better, even if the methods of achieving it are different. What is unacceptable is to use bigotry and foster hate for others.
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