Hillary to #blackLivesMatter: "If that is your position then I will talk only to white people"

[Cheese Sandwich]

That's a pretty messed up thing to say

[Perseus]

1. What she said did not start or end there, why cut it, are you trying to make a statement

or maybe start an anti-Hillary meme?

Of course that my interpretation will be different than yours, but she did not agree with what he said because he seemed to make it an exclusive issue with white people, one that black people cannot control, so she said "if that is your position..."

But you decided to extract what may help your goal/agenda.

We, at DU, need to be fair...I see people providing tons of ammunition against HRC every day, and believe it or not, she may win the democratic nomination, and then what?

[Fred Sanders]

4. Trey Gowdy is said to be auditioning for a vacant investigator position to Get Clinton.

[cprise]

11. To be truly fair, HRC provides the ammunition to her opponents

Its not diplomatic to put things the way she did.

If anything, her experience as "Co-President" and Secretary of State for the world's sole remaining superpower has probably made her more inclined to callous mistakes like her inclination to attack Libya and Syria, and her ongoing defense of 1990s economic policies that she helped create.

[HooptieWagon]

2. She doesn't even pretend to like PoC.

She sounds more and more like Ann Romney.

[babylonsister]

10. That is bullshit and you know it. nt

[uberblonde]

13. Really?

So the reason she has so many black women in her inner circle is.... what?

[Fred Sanders]

3. Fox-level editing and deception will not get you the Recs you hoped for!

[still_one]

5. It is quite sad that some find it necessary to resort to distortion and deception

with the thought that it will elevate their candidate's position.

[Fred Sanders]

6. Some either refuse to learn or are incapable of learning or are purposely riding a one trick pony.

The deceitful Clinton-haters are also the Obama-haters and neither belong on DU, in my opinion.

[still_one]

16. yup

[JDPriestly]

7. That's how Hillary reacts when she is frustrated and angry.

She does not like being challenged. She can't let go and listen and respond from a quiet place. She get very defensive.

That is why I don't think she can win the presidency or make a good president.

It's a question of personality, of spiritual state, and Hillary just doesn't get it.

Bernie understood how to listen and take action.

We shall see what happens, but this is what caused Hillary to fail in the 2008 primary.

She doesn't have a problem-solving, "I'll include you in solving this problem" approach. She sees life as confrontation and succeeding. She just doesn't see it as a group effort to improve the lives of everyone.

[Fred Sanders]

8. The clip is deception, recycled deception at that...do you really not agree?

[hopemountain]

18. i hear you. when one stands in one's power and truth,

grace steps in and the chip on the shoulders are sloughed off. hillary has trailblazed for women in many ways - and has had to stand her ground with male bullies and a misogynist business culture. she has white upper class privilege and has not done the work to realize how it must be acknowledged and set aside to humble oneself and work cooperatively and collaboratively with those who are neither white and upper class and privileged. she seems too proud to move away from the rooster mentality and culture of business, too.

[Fred Sanders]

24. Everything you imply is refuted by Clinton's 4 years as SOS, not to mention her entire lifetime.

Not to mention her popularity among African-Americans is....spectacular...but what do they know?

[JDPriestly]

36. She did a lot better tonight than she did in 2008.

But you are right. She has always enjoyed a lot more privilege even than us other white people. I think she knows that, but nevertheless, she expects it and is offended when others do not treat her with the respect and deference she is used to.

[Tarheel_Dem]

31. As opposed to BS when he doesn't like being challenged: "Bernie Sanders leaves Westlake Rally ".

You were saying?

[PSPS]

9. LOL. Wildly inaccurate portrayal of a phrase taken out of context.

[jtuck004]

12. He made a really good point, and that IS what she shoud be doing. When will she

be making a speech to white folk about the violence they continue to perpetrate against people of color?

Or maybe she doesn't really give a flying rat's ass, there is no talk forthcoming, and that was just a snarky remark to his very real pain?

[Perseus]

20. Listen to it again,

you may change your opinion...unless you only read the "heading".

[jtuck004]

34. And I might not too, since fucking white people ARE the god damn problem. There is NOTHING

a black person can do, nothing they can tell their kids to do, to insure they won't be the next justified homicide by a cop, or the target of a deranged Walmart vigilante.

It would be nice if she would do what she said. But that's not what she meant, and I think she was being disrespectful. You can think what you want.

Even if she did mean it and tried a public conversation it likely wouldn't do jack shit, btw. The problem is bigger than this.

White folk need to end their pity party and cut it out.

There was nothing wrong with the heading. There is something wrong with a bunch of white folk wanting to distract from the real issue by complaining about semantics and making excuses.

[stillwaiting]

14. I can only imagine what would have happened if Bernie had said this.

Even in the context that Hillary said it.

It's flat out dismissive and condescending.

[hopemountain]

19. she allowed her hackels to

overcome her rationality. i understand what she may have wanted to express - but instead, she went offensive without a pause or a breath - nor the respect to let him finish his quiet but frustrated & painful statements. he was on msnbc shortly after this encounter and is a very reasonable man.

[brush]

15. This doesn't quite reach the level of the Planned Parenthood tape editing but it's close

Come on, poster. You've got to be kidding with this deceptive, unfair and out of context clip.

People on DU are not as stupid as repugs who believe, or claim to believe, whatever is presented to them on a video.

You need to take this down.

[Cheese Sandwich]

17. Nope. This is a totally fair edit. If Bernie had said this his campaign would be over.

Her comment was racist.

[Perseus]

21. No, it wasnt, you are trying to decieve

though your presentation, you forgot to cut the beginning and the end of what she said, and that invalidates your argument.

Also, it is NEVER a FAIR edit when the truth is not presented...or you think you were "Fair and Balanced"?

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. Hillary's comment there was racist. I bet a comment like that would get someone banned from DU.

And it should.


What does that even mean "I will talk only to white people"?

Why would she talk only to white people just because one black guy said something she disagreed with?

Does that make any sense? It's racist.

I feel bad for anyone that needs to defend it.

[brush]

29. That's not all she said.

Include more of the conversation.

[thesquanderer]

32. I'm a BS supporter. This post takes HRC out of context.

Your comment ignores even the additional context we can actually see in the video (putting aside that we don't even have the context for the clip as a whole). But even just within the clip, we can tell that she's not saying what you're implying she's saying.

The person says: "This is, and has always been, a white problem of violence. There's not much that we can do to stop the violence against us." (Inferring a larger greater context, this probably equates to something like "You're suggesting the black community do something here, but it's out of our control, it's the white community that must change its behavior.&quot

Her answer: "If that is your position, than I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems..." (Which I would similarly restate as, "If you're telling me that there's no point in my talking to the black community about this, and you don't want to listen to me, then I guess I'll only talk to the white people about it.&quot

The first person understands the rhetoric she is using, that she is suggesting that this is HIS idea, i.e. that such a move (only talking to white people about it) would logically follow from his premise, and he comes back with "That's not what I mean." He is participating in the conversation and has the full context, and he gets it.

I guess I'd also suggest that "that's not what I mean" is not a reasonable comeback to a racist comment. But it's a reasonable comeback to what she said.

I (and obviously many others here) see your post as an unfair hit job. There are many things about HRC that I think one can legitimately take issue with. This isn't one of them.

[Tarheel_Dem]

22. I'm not so sure that "DU isn't stupid as repugs who believe, or claim to believe". 7 recs so far.

[Fred Sanders]

25. The whole OP is a deception, but is recommended by now 8 others? Not as bad as some deception OP's!

[brush]

30. Yes, there is that . . .

but most see that there needs to be more of the conversation included.

The clip is deceptively edited.

[McKim]

26. No Hillary Fan, but This Sounds Like it Needs Some Context

I am no fan of Hillary's, but this quote sounds like it is lacking some context. To be fair, might she have been saying a whole lot more around this sentence. After listening to the video, she was quoted mistakenly and this is a cheap shot. I have no respect for cheap shots. That is the method of the FOX News people.

[Cheese Sandwich]

28. There is no context that would make it OK. If you said it on a liberal web forum like DU it would

probably get you booted.

[msongs]

27. well she didnt get her undies in a wad and stomp off the stage like that man nt

[PosterChild]

33. For those who are interested....

..... in reading a contextual account of the exchange, here is a good article.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/18/clinton-tells-black-lives-matter-activists-to-focus-on-ways-to-change-policy-not-change-hearts/

[thesquanderer]

35. Thanks for that.

Here's some relevant exposition.

When one man suggested in the video that Clinton was being presumptuous by saying the Black Lives Matter movement should consider which policy prescriptions to support, Clinton gestured forcefully as she countered his assertion.

“Well, respectfully, if that is your position then I will talk only to white people about how we are going to deal with the very real problems,” Clinton said facetiously, before the questioner interjected.

“That's not what I mean,” he says. “What I'm saying is, what you just said was a form of victim-blaming.”

At that, Clinton turns partly away from him and starts to shake her head “no.”

“Right? You were saying that what the Black Lives Matter movement needs to do to change white hearts,” the man continues, before Clinton interjects.

“Look, I don't believe you change hearts,” Clinton says, chopping her hands in front of the man’s chest for emphasis. “I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. You're not going to change every heart. You’re not.”

Still gesturing, Clinton continued: “But at the end of the day, we could do a whole lot to change some hearts and change some systems and create more opportunities for people who deserve to have them, to live up to their own God-given potential, to live safely without fear of violence in their own communities, to have a decent school, to have a decent house, to have a decent future.”
...
“So we can do it one of many ways. You can keep the movement going, which you have started, and through it you may actually change some hearts,” Clinton said. “But if that's all that happens, we'll be back here in 10 years having the same conversation. We will not have all of the changes that you deserve to see happen in your lifetime because of your willingness to get out there and talk about this.”

One can agree or disagree with her assessment, but to take that line out of context and call her racist is, not just unfair, but IMO, irresponsible.