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ETA: Since this video was created, Bernie lost Illinois and Missouri, going home with no victories in the end.
MynameisBlarney
(2,979 posts)If or when he bows out, I will support the only logical choice.
Hillary.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,374 posts)make voting through the internet a possibility so that our YOUTH can get involved
through their electronic world and the results in most states that have voted so far would favor Sen. Sanders...
MADem
(135,425 posts)Bubzer
(4,211 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)To try to paint it as dispassionate is just not accurate at all. Those guys are quite plainly in the tank for Sanders. The TYT site is easily searchable, and their bias is obvious.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)But to claim they're acting in the same capacity as Brock is just plain absurd. However, they're not simply making shit up like Brock is. They also acknowledge when she is doing well... just as they did last night. They've said Bernie's chances now are pretty slim. If positions had been reversed, and it was the Brock show on air, he'd be laying outright lie after lie after lie... and most of them would be couched in attacks.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They're either trashing her or hoping, unreasonably, that she be indicted. Those videos aren't secret--you can scroll through them yourself, they're pretty nasty towards Clinton, and overwhelmingly positive and exculpatory towards Sanders--even when he steps in it.
If that's not cheerleading--doing the same thing Brock does, but with video instead of the printed word--I don't know what is. And (oddly enough) Cenk used to be a die-hard Republican, too--just like Brock. Hmm.
Brock isn't "making shit up" any more than your TYT team is. Each simply reports from a place of PARTISAN BIAS. And, when it comes to TYT, run by a former "Reagan Republican," the funding to prosecute that bias comes from a really strange place....IMO:
http://thedailybanter.com/2014/04/cenk-uygur-just-took-4-million-from-a-conservative-source-but-hes-still-a-better-liberal-than-you/
See, the bias only hurts when it's on the other foot. And it's never a good idea to hold a single source up as The Way and The Light. They'll always disappoint.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)not playing with a full deck. That is their purpose, their raison d'etre.
No "admit" about it. Do you "admit" that the sun rises in the east?
Or do you naively think the new Super Pac of "Millenials for Bernie" is going to be non-partisan?
LOL! That is a rather clumsy attempt to try to play the "put 'em on the defensive" game--obvious, which is why it didn't work.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Took you no time at all to come up with that somewhat insincere-sounding complaint!
back atcha!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I'm with Bernie for the long haul.
He is starting a movement, and I will be part of it.
I am very disappointed that Obama did not use his nomination to the Supreme Court to send Democrats a message about Black Lives Matter.
You can't pander to racist conservatives in Congress if you want Democrats to get excited about voting.
I will campaign for Bernie in California. We should not be disenfranchised by the relatively conservative, ignorant voters in the South and Midwest.
Not one Pacific rim state has voted yet.
This primary system is rigged (as are most politics and economics in America), and I will vote for all the California Democrats on my ballot, but I will never, ever vote for Hillary.
She is a wolf in sheep's clothing if I ever saw one. She is far too conservative for me. She is far too weak for me.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's easy to gripe when you're not the one on the line.
What sort of BLM "message" should Obama send? Here, here's a nominee you'll never endorse? Let's pre-ordain failure? Let's give the Senate an excuse? Let them off the hook?
smh.
Obama's nomination hoisted the entire US Senate on its own petard. It was a brilliant choice. Republicans turning their back on Obama's nominee are on video praising the guy to the skies.
And then you broad brushed with "rigged" charges and insults directed at the front runner and likely nominee, that you really can't take back. Never mind the trash talking about voters who just don't agree with YOU when they go to the polls--no reason to name call like that, but you went there.
Perhaps you can introspect and see why many interest groups of Democrats and other left of center agencies, just haven't Felt That Bern. It's remarks like yours, mocking "ignorant voters" and flinging invective in a frantic way, that just don't foster any kind of unity. You clearly don't see how this kind of stuff comes off:
21. And most of the mainstream media is a long paean to Trump and Hillary.
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I'm with Bernie for the long haul.
He is starting a movement, and I will be part of it.
I am very disappointed that Obama did not use his nomination to the Supreme Court to send Democrats a message about Black Lives Matter.
You can't pander to racist conservatives in Congress if you want Democrats to get excited about voting.
I will campaign for Bernie in California. We should not be disenfranchised by the relatively conservative, ignorant voters in the South and Midwest.
Not one Pacific rim state has voted yet.
This primary system is rigged (as are most politics and economics in America), and I will vote for all the California Democrats on my ballot, but I will never, ever vote for Hillary.
She is a wolf in sheep's clothing if I ever saw one. She is far too conservative for me. She is far too weak for me.
You can and will do what you want, and that's fine and dandy...but don't expect me to really care about your opinions when you spout that kind of invective. That primary system wasn't rigged when Sanders won Michigan, was it? When he won NH and ME?
I've always said that if Sanders made it to the finish line, I'd vote for him, because I care more about electing a Democrat than enduring four years of a GOP lunatic. The fact that you're throwing down the NEVER EVER VOTE card tells me you are more invested in personalities than the well being of the nation.
HRC and BS are more alike than they are different. They've been friends for 25 years. When this is all over, they'll still be friends, and if she doesn't find him a job in her cabinet, she'll likely help raise money for his re-election campaign in two years.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Why is not one state on the Pacific ocean voting until the last round? Why are New York and California relegated to the end of the primary voting season?
We are huge states. California is probably, at this time, the most liberal state in the union. We have an enormous number of delegates yet we do not vote until June 7.
Regardless of Bernie's wins in those tiny early states, the states that are most likely to support Bernie strongly will be voting at the end.
Meanwhile, the Southern states that on average last voted for a Democrat in 1976 (a couple of them voted last for a Democrat in 1992 or 1996) got to vote early
That is rigged.
And that is why I say I will vote for all the California Democrats on my ballot but not for Hillary.
The game, as Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders tell us, is rigged. It simply is.
As for Bernie and Hillary being more alike than different. Not so.
On issues of great importance to me like campaign finance, Social Security, fracking and the environment in general, on Black Lives Matter issues and the reform of the justice system and especially on the economy, free college tuition at state universities and colleges, a $15 minimum wage and many other issues, they are miles apart.
Just so happens I agree with Bernie on every one of those issues.
What is more, I trust Bernie to stand strong on the moral positions he believes in.
I do not trust Hillary at all.
In addition, it is true that Hillary has a number of potential real scandals waiting for her should she receive the nomination. Not the Benghazi or e-mail type of scandals, but real ones, money scandals that can be proved by a paper trail.
So don't count Bernie out yet.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's math - it's not personal.
And his panoply of ideas have little to no support in Congress, so there's that, as well.
And "hoping" for an indictment? How very ugly. You acquit yourself poorly with that POV.
smh.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)those states. Even Illinois, Hillary's home state, it was a near tie. Sure, having a "win" even by a tenth would be more desirable, but Bernie is doing very well when you consider where he came from and how he labels himself.
The best thing Bernie did was getting into this race to make his ideas heard by so many millions more despite a near media blackout. To make people ask, Why the fuck can't I have universal Health care, Free or affordable College, a livable minimum wage, protection from rapacious Capitalism and Predatory banks? We can expend thousands of American lives, millions of lives around the world, and untold Trillions for wars without end, but we can't fix our own country and take care of its people? WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?
Bernie is the best thing that has happened in decades to this country, and he will continue to be so.
Take heart, this is just the beginning.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)delegates did he get in these elections? That is the point.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)through Super Tuesday Part 2 is what mattered.
Bernie remains viable, and in fact out-performed what he needed. So he "won" by surviving the southern "firewall" that was built to favor conservative, establishment candidates.
The primary map now turns very blue and now is when he starts cutting into Hillary's delegate lead.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He has a few caucuses coming up where he's expected to do better (caucuses favor him) but he is not on track to secure sufficient delegates to be viable.
She is.
Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)It's about ideas.
MADem
(135,425 posts)She with the most delegates, WINS.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)This is Bernie country out here.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's no sure bet, as we're too far out, still-- but even if he splits California, it's NOT ENOUGH.
He needs twenty some odd blow-outs from here on out, and he's not going to get them.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I am 72. Anything can happen between now and the convention. We shall see.
MADem
(135,425 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Her name recognition catches the votes of a lot of politically disinterested voters.
Bernie has the votes of people who pay attention, especially young, college-aged kids and older political junkies who vet every statement on every issue as much as possible. Bernie has a politically literate voter base.
Even here on DU, it is hard to find, even among Hillary's most ardent supporters, Hillary fans who can talk the issues in detail and who understand the difference between Hillary's views and Bernie's.
Fracking is a big issue to me because I live in California. Our governor supports fracking. But water is one of our biggest problems. To risk injecting water with chemicals into our state's water household is insane in my view.
We just had a huge gas leak from gas storage tanks that were very old and not properly maintained. Took place in the area around Aliso Canyon and the Porter Ranch. It continued for months before Southern California Gas could get it under control.
That leak was not related to fracking, but it demonstrates the danger of relying on energy extraction and storage infrastructures that can fail. People got sick from the gas leak.
I strongly oppose fracking. With our climate (beautiful and sunny and hot today), we should be mostly relying on solar energy for our daytime energy. Instead HIllary is supporting fracking. I'm with Bernie on a very aggressive alternative energy and environmental protection policy. Hillary is far too weak on this issue for me.
MADem
(135,425 posts)The Poor Pitiful Pearl routine doesn't work--he's been raising money hand over fist and Karl Rove's SUPERPAC has been running ads in favor of him.
No one wants to play SEA LION with you. You want HRC's views? She's got a great website where they are listed. Sanders has the same.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)she does not go far enough especially on the trade agreements and on the environment. Those are just two major areas in which her platform fails for me. In California, we need a total ban on fracking and a much stronger push for solar energy.
I did not grow up in California so I understand why the rest of the country seems to find it so hard to believe, but we just have so much sunshine here in California. We should not, during daylight hours, need to use any energy source other than our sun. And on bad days, which are days on which winds blow weather in from the ocean, we should be using wind energy. That would be very rare indeed.
But we generally don't get rain without some wind. We look at the radar maps and watch as the rain blows inland.
Sun and wind should be sufficient energy for California.
Sometimes I feel like California is not really accepted as a part of the US. We have no interest in seceding, but it almost feels like the rest of the country doesn't want us very much.
That is especially true with regard to the timing of our primary on June 7. We are literally at the tail end of the primary cycle and our voices are not heard.
California should be first. The primary schedule should rotate so that it is not always the same few states that get to vote first.
Plainsman1
(25 posts)Sorry to see TYT adopt the right wing's favorite strategy ... wishing on the Scandal Star (not just the Kenneth excursion). Should Senator Sanders be unsuccessful, I think TYT will need to adopt a new strategy if they are to be of any help in electing a Democratic president.
MADem
(135,425 posts)They are not liberals, they are LIBERTARIANS.
They've said some pretty stupid things about rape, never mind the Armenian genocide.
There are some positions they take that just make ya wanna go HMMMMMM????
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I am totally with TYT on campaign finance reform. That is not a libertarian issue.
Are you maybe thinking of the Intercept?
The Intercept got a lot of money from someone that might be a conservative. (I'm not sure.)
Do you have a link that says that TYT got its start-up money from a libertarian or a right-wing, anti-choice conservative?
TYT is not the Intercept.
MADem
(135,425 posts)We don't need another "hero" like that....
This stuff is two clicks away, you know.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)I wish more Democrats would put their money behind real campaign finance reform.
The person who asserts a fact should be prepared to back it up.
MADem
(135,425 posts)onecaliberal
(32,786 posts)If that was Bernie you people would be demanding he drop out of the race
Wibly
(613 posts)All Bernie has to do is start hanging out with Elizabeth Warren and start talking about an independent run and the Democratic Party will wake up.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)This would go against his agreement with DNC not to run as an independent, is this Bernie way of doing things? He still would not win as an independent.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)California is some very liberal, very liberal country.
I will vote for all the California liberals on my ballot -- and they are the Democrats who will be on my ballot but I will not vote for Hillary.
My friends are with me on this. California will vote Democratic, but Bernie is starting a movement, and I and my friends will all be in that movement.
We will change the politics in this country.
And I think California should get to go first in the next presidential primary season.
It is extremely unfair that a state with 546 (or thereabouts) delegates to the Democratic convention has to sit back and let the rubes in the South and the Midwest narrow the choices we have in November.
That is not democratic. It has to change.
The largest states with the most DEMOCRATIC voters should vote first.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)RESISTANCE IS FUTILE
ALL YOUR BASE ARE BELONG TO US!
Baobab
(4,667 posts)I am not going to vote for either of the other two.