Shouldn’t Hillary’s Terrifying Warhawk Attitude Scare Us?

[GoLeft TV]

In her recent speech at AIPAC, Hillary Clinton proved one thing to us: she’s every bit a warhawk as we’ve always thought she was. Ring of Fire’s Sam Seder and Farron Cousins discuss this.

[LonePirate]

1. Not as much as President Trump or President Cruz scares me.

[franannjo]

2. Should scare us a lot.

All people who advocate mass murder and hide under the cloak of government are scary.

[cpwm17]

17. +1000

It's no less mass murder when government officials do it, and the mass murder harms far more people.

Warmongers show how willing many people are willing to commit mass-murder when they think they can get away with it, and they show how many people are willing to support candidates, even after they commit mass-murder.

[billhicks76]

10. Same Foreign Policy

[youceyec]

4. Don't be

One of those Dems that stayed home in 04 and got w reelected. Keep your eyes on the prize, a dem in the white house.

[Peace Patriot]

14. Dems didn't get w 'reelected.' Diebold did.

We REALLY NEED to understand the rigging capability of these 'TRADE SECRET' voting systems all run by private corporations, all over the country. (So, too, the voter registration databases--all privatized.)

Also, the prize, to me, is not a warmonger and a corporatist Democrat in the White House. That's a booby prize, at best.

(Oops, I did an unintended sexist remark. It's okay, though, I'm a 70 year old woman. I get to say boobies. PLEASE, HILLARY SUPPORTERS, DON'T HANG ME FROM THE NEAREST TREE! DON'T DROWN ME TILL I RECANT! DON'T GO FOR MY BALLS CUZ I DON'T HAVE ANY! DON'T SWARM ME! DON'T BOTHER ABOUT ME AT ALL! I'M JUST AN OLD WOMAN WHO'S ONTO YOUR JIVE! FORGIVE ME! FORGIVE ME! I'M DOWN ON MY KNEES! I TAKE IT BACK! SHE'S NOT A BOOBY PRIZE! SHE'S...SHE'S...SO PRESIDENTIAL!)

[Not Sure]

5. War is the plan to get the oil flowing again

War is how her masters make money. Her mentor Kissinger taught her that. The media is chumming the seas getting the bloodthirst going for more middle east destruction. The Republican establishment wants the same thing. Bernie is the only one not trying to incite violence and enflame war.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

6. I'm pretty sure she would aim for a "Falklands Moment" more or less immediately

[pnwmom]

7. There's so much frantic hyperbole around here and this is one more example. n/t

[cprise]

18. Have a helping of Yemen and Libya, with Syria poured over the top

And wash it down with a nice glass of "Hillary's foreign policy initiatives".

For dessert, leave the State Dept. with a flourish by calling the President's foreign policy in Libya a failure -- HA HA

[fbc]

8. Hillary is a war hawk

This isn't even a questionable opinion. If you vote for Hillary Clinton you are voting for war and bombing.

[Old Crow]

9. Two words: "Hell. Yes." (N/T)

[JohnnyRingo]

11. As a woman, she has to be.

Hillary Clinton has to come off tougher than male candidates for the office because if she sounds the least bit weak on foreign affairs the right would eviscerate her for being a woman vieing for a job beyond the nature of her gender.

Limbaugh, Hannity, and others would like nothing more than to disqualify her by painting her as a girl who would go crying to the Oval Office bathroom at the first provocation from foreign powers. This isn't a theory, it's a fact, and I'm sure her form of governance would be much more diplomatic than her campaign bluster suggests.

[Peace Patriot]

15. You're sure, eh? Tell that to the Syrians, many of them women,

many of them being raped as we speak, and suffering murder or massive mayhem. Tell that to the Libyans, same horror story. Tell that to the Hondurans--fascists installed by Clinton raping and murdering women and gays all over the country.

I'm sure her form of governance would be much more diplomatic than her campaign bluster suggests.

And I'm sure that the opposite is true. She doesn't have Henry Fucking Kissinger, for godssakes, and Robert ("Project For a New American Century&quot Kagan as HER ADVISERS for no reason. Just decorations on the wall, are they? Not.

[Fairgo]

16. I like the cut of your jib

Sail on...

[JohnnyRingo]

21. Trying to pin all the world's woes on Hillary Clinton is ....

... obviously partisan.

I get that you're a Bernie supporter, but to work backwards from that position to meld Klingon blood into Hillary's DNA is an absurd exercise that proves only that you've been taken in by a 25 year smear campaign that has moved from AM radio to the internet.

If Sanders were to get the final nod, and I'm certain he won't, the Republicans would absolutely shred him as a pussy and display him as a national disgrace.They'd show the American people that Putin could march into the Oval Office and give Bernie a wedgie on live TV without repercussion, and if you think for a moment that voters really want a president that like that, imagine Michael Dukakis too afraid to even get in a tank.

On your point about Syria and Libya, I guess you view Obama as some sort of bloodthirsty warlord since he was the one who initiated the policy that helped form the global situation of the past eight years. On that note, you're in a very small minority and proof that Bernie's "revolution" is cradled by a relative few, not enough to win an election. On the other hand, voters overwhelmingly want a president who will respond to international crisis more with positive action than a curmudgeonly grunt and grumble.

[Peace Patriot]

22. I'm not trying to pin "all the world's woes" on Clinton, only 2 of the worst ones...

...the ones she bears special responsibility for: Honduras, and the destabilization of Iraq, Libya, and Syria.

On Honduras, her emails reveal her direct, stated intention NOT TO PERMIT the return of the ELECTED president of Honduras, who was kidnapped by the U.S.-supported Honduran military at gunpoint and flown out of his own country with a re-fueling stop at the U.S. airbase in Honduras. She explicitly stated that she would prevent his return, and she did! The rule of law was never re-established in Honduras, and the result is the "killing fields" of Honduras, where WOMEN who peacefully oppose these fascists supported by Clinton, are a major target for murder and rape, and where gays are also being targeted for brutality and repression.

It is quite unforgivable, what Clinton did in Honduras. And it is right out Henry Kissinger's playbook.

I don't blame Obama who was only six months into his first term at the time, and preoccupied with Bush-Clinton induced global financial meltdown and two Bush wars. I wasn't sure at first, but I did see that his first instinct was to withdraw U.S. funding to the Honduran fascists (he said it was "a military coup," which triggers the law). Then somehow Clinton got control of the situation and she continued sending these fuckwads billions of our tax dollars, and PREVENTED the restoration of Honduran democracy. In her own words.

On destabilization of Iraq, Libya and Syria, Clinton voted for the goddamn war on Iraq and enthusiastically supported it. Result: chaos.

On Libya, Obama bears responsibility for taking his Sec of State's wretchedly wrong advice, and she personally claimed the result on Libya in an taped interview in which she states, Caesar-like, "We came. We conquered. He died!" and then LAUGHS. The callousness is unbelievable. Yeah, Gaddaffi was dead. Result: chaos.

Syria: I can only point out the significant change of direction under Sec of State John Kerry. Clinton was heading us to war with Iran and Russia--with Syrian 'regime change' and chaos as the collateral damage. This was right out of Bush, Cheney & Rumfeld's PNAC playbook, via Robert Kagan. Kerry is out there vigorously pursuing diplomatic solutions, and, in my opinion, trying to UNDO the damage that Clinton did as Sec of State (and is trying to do the same in Latin America with Obama's visit to Cuba and their support for the Colombia/FARC peace talks). The immediate result of attempted 'regime change' in Syria (Clinton's advice and actions): chaos.

Chaos in the ME is another name for The Project for a New American Century, which brought us the Iraq disaster, with the help of warmongering senators like Hillary Clinton.

As for your disparagement of Bernie Sanders as a poof, I can only say that that is NOT my reading of his character. Also, isn't it time we stop fucking around invading and intervening in other countries, and causing misery everywhere we go, and pay some goddamned attention to OUR OWN HOUSE? A few house repairs are in order, it seems to me, before we go adventuring again. And I sincerely hope that any future adventuring we do is to STOP GLOBAL WARMING, and maybe go to Mars and beyond-- cuz at the rate things are going now, we're going to need another planet.

[JohnnyRingo]

23. I understand your point...

...and it's clear you're well researched on the topic, but second guessing the scenario if action wasn't taken in Syria is just that: guessing.

I take more exception to those who prop up Muammar Gaddafi as an icon of Libyan democracy for the sake of bashing Hillary Clinton's role as Sec State.

I'm not going to bicker with you over minute details of Middle East policy however, but return to my point that Clinton absolutely has to puff her self up politically as being tough to avoid being told she should leave foreign affairs to the men folk. For that, she sustains attacks from the left. Unfortunately.

[Peace Patriot]

24. Well, then, women should disqualified from being President, by your logic--no?

If women feel compelled to prove their macho, how many wars will that get us into before she's proven it? How many misunderstandings will that create with foreign leaders? It's dangerous to have a president who feels she has to prove something by being belligerent. Especially given that she will control a nuclear arsenal that could end the world, forever. (Don't have to wait around for global warming to do it.)

But I don't buy your argument--that she's just putting on a show for the war guys and is actually a peacemaker. She's already been FOR wars and interventions in too many instances. Not just campaign talk. Votes. Actions. Propaganda. Arms deals. She's been in government for decades, and I don't think she's ever seen a war or belligerent U.S. stance that she didn't like. And then there are her advisers. I mean, Henry Fucking Kissinger, the slaughterer of millions, the scumbag who destroyed Chile's democracy!

And anyway, I think your argument is a slam against women. There are plenty of women in the world, and plenty of women leaders, who don't suffer from penis envy, don't have a chip on their shoulders, don't have an ego problem and don't feel the need to out-macho the U.S. military. If Hillary has these problems, then they are Hillary problems. They don't apply to all potential women leaders. But, as I said, I don't think Clinton is schizo on this. I think she IS a militarist. And there is plenty of evidence for it.

[ericson00]

12. can you please tell me what the hell AIPAC has to do with

any of the recent wars we've had (and with definitive evidence, not some NWO/"globalism" conspiracy theory that far-left and far-right kooks alike buy into).

If standing with the Jewish State of Israel and AIPAC is "warhawk," then I guess a silent majority of our party is "warhawks."


(and a supermajority of the country as well)

[Kablooie]

13. No.

You may disagree.
You may hate her views.
You may be disgusted.
But terrified? Why?
We've had hawkish presidents who screwed things up for millions of people around the world before.
It unfortunate. It's despicable.
But you lived through it before and you'll do so again, if she wins.
We may just have two terrible choices this November, which is maddening and depressing but nothing to be terrified about.

Unless Trump wins.
The whole world order could be tossed Up into the air and that is something to be terrified of.

[Herman4747]

19. It's the Kissinger influence...

...and she's going to show you, baby, that a woman can be tough.

[malthaussen]

20. No, because ultimately most of us don't care.

War directly affects only a handful of citizens, and if you ran the numbers on it, I'd bet more of us profit from it than pay a price. Consequently, for most voters, it's far less of an issue than it is for those who actually give a damn.

-- Mal