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Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Hillary won Clark County 52-47 percent.
Bernie had 638 more delegates in that room today. Wow, what a flip in favor of Bernie.
me b zola
(19,053 posts) 
SisterSarah
(30 posts)So dang fun to see this- Thank you!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)the status quo that has done so much harm to the lower classes. These people will not be denied by your Big Money friends.
I dare you, Clinton fans, to be Democrats and recognize that Sen Sanders represents the People while Clinton represents all that is terrible in our government.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)shatter their illusions
cer7711
(534 posts)Hi, rhett o rick!
Love the spirit and truth of your post, but please don't use that smug, denigrating term of the 1% for the rest of us.
It's middle- and WORKING-class (issues and voters), never "lower" classes. Okay?
Cheers! Keep up the good fight!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)those that support the upper class would. I was in no way intending to denigrate those of us in the 99%. I will heed your suggestion. Thanks for the kind remark. If you catch me doing this again, please call me on it.
cer7711
(534 posts)Forward, in solidarity! The revolution starts NOW . . .
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Clinton supporters believe that $250K or more a year is "middle class." They see themselves on a pedestal above the rabble and hoi polli. So if you want to talk to thesep oeple, you've gotta use words and idioms that hteir brains can process, such as 'lower classes"
it reminds them where we are, where htey think they are, and really riles 'em up to be reminded that at the end of the day, we're ahead.
PatrickforO
(15,134 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)zentrum
(9,866 posts)…the "lower classes" that the Clintons have hurt. It's the middle too! It's the 99!
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)Please stop it with the rational stuff.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)
appalachiablue
(43,274 posts)
pacalo
(24,738 posts)
Rincewind
(1,272 posts)Democrats for ignoring the will of the voters. We don't need no democracy, as long as Bernie wins.
pacalo
(24,738 posts)Can't blame that on Bernie Sanders.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)manufacture concent.
It's nonexistent.
Good job Nevada!
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)pacalo
(24,738 posts)Mary Mac
(342 posts)And get rid of the others. It is voter suppression.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)kadaholo
(304 posts)Way to go Nevada!!!
"Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like a room without a roof
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like happiness is the truth
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you know what happiness is to you
Because I'm happy
Clap along if you feel like that's what you wanna do."
(lyrics credit: "Happy" Pharrell Williams)
DrBulldog
(841 posts)And also appreciate the incredible amount of Hillarian corruption that this vote overcame! The Sanders campaign has called Nevada the worst primary by far so far this year.
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rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)It's the rich guys that cheat. We are mere peons and we will fight you and your rich lords to the end.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)
classykaren
(769 posts)Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)
Perogie
(687 posts)
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)love it
CountAllVotes
(21,154 posts)n/t
dixiegrrrrl
(60,011 posts)For all of us who cannot be there but still get to feel the excitement.....
catchnrelease
(2,023 posts) SoapBox
(18,791 posts)What exactly does this mean?
Does he get more delegates?
roody
(10,849 posts)Precinct caucus, county caucus, district caucus (convention) and state. Feb 1 was only step one.
It may vary between caucus states, but in MN the precinct caucus elects delegates to the (state) Senate District convention, which in turn elects delegates to the state convention, which elects delegates to the national convention. If a candidate's delegates don't show up for the next stage, they've thrown away that vote.
I'm ambivalent about this process. On the one hand, it lets people who are really interested determine what candidate the party will support. That's good (otherwise, why have parties at all, I don't think that if David Duke shows up with a bunch of supporters, he should get to choose your candidate, if you're not the KKK). On the other hand, it allows the apparatchiks a good deal of control. The precinct caucuses are pretty clean, but the apparatchiks are the ones with the knowledge and experience to influence conventions, and that's when the knives and goon squads come out (those who control the credentials committee, the rules committee, the vote tellers, and the chair of the convention, can control the outcome).
But in this case, yes, Hilary's delegates didn't care enough to show up. So they lost delegates.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Go, Bernie ... GO!!
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)
I'm happy, while this election is full of glitches, looking forward to Bernie's work on election reform.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I thought you Bernie folks are all about the will of the people.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)telling them -- falsely -- that they didn't have to show up if they had pre-registered online. More Hillary delegates than Bernie delegates believed the false email, so the voters got screwed.
But the dirty tricks and the unfairness built into the whole caucus system doesn't matter. Who cares whether the Nevada voters are fairly represented, as long as your fav candidate gets elected, right?
revbones
(3,660 posts)You read about all the misleading mailers going out to Bernie supporters, too funny that they sent the wrong one to the wrong group...
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)PatrickforO
(15,134 posts)And a staffer just made a mistake and sent it to ALL the delegates?
Are you quite sure?
revbones
(3,660 posts)I can't personally attest to the veracity of that image.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)PatrickforO
(15,134 posts)pnwmom
(109,653 posts)And the head of the Clark County Dems is a Bernie supporter.
The whole situation was a madhouse, as caucuses usually are. There are more details here, and a picture of the email in the comments.
http://lasvegassun.com/news/2016/apr/02/sanders-wins-most-delegates-at-clark-county-conven/
PatrickforO
(15,134 posts)speech and did my civic duty, I'm really convinced the caucus isn't particularly supportive of real democracy. It would be better, especially for working people, if states had primaries instead. I also think primary and general election days should be holidays so that ALL working people could come.
But then, as Mark Twain said, "if our votes mattered, they wouldn't let us do it."
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)You couldn't vote by affidavit in WA without having a specific acceptable, very narrow, reason. So people like this couldn't' vote:
Parents who didn't want to drag their children along, or hire a babysitter.
People in rural areas who lived 2 or even 3 hours away from their county's caucus.
People who wanted a secret ballot because they didn't want their spouse or boss to know who they supported.
People who don't want to sit with a group of strangers to discuss political views.
People who had other priorities on Saturday.
Out of state college students.
Someone told me they should just sign the form and LIE and say they were disabled or had a religious obligation.
Nice. We're supposed to lie if we want to vote without going through a caucus.
Great system.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)PatrickforO
(15,134 posts)and this email went to BOTH Clinton and Sanders delegates, then the real questions are:
1. Who sent the email out, and
2. For what reason?
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Sanders would have won Nevada handily without Reid's calling in favors to cheat for Clinton.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)system that prevents workers from voting unless their employers give them time off.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Thanks!
.
revbones
(3,660 posts)iandhr
(6,852 posts)revbones
(3,660 posts)that probably just got sent to the wrong group... Her dirty tricks just backfired if anything.
iandhr
(6,852 posts)I have heard from Hillary people that Bernie's camp was behind some of the "driry tricks" I take it with a grain of salt because of a lack of envidence. Do you have evidence from a reputable source?
DU Bernie group doesn't count so you know
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)and in several locations just to make sure their votes get counted.
That's why MOST states eliminated caucuses a long time ago. They're just a form of vote suppression.
Mary Mac
(342 posts)In NEVADA IT IS A MARATHON. APPARENTLY.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)pnwmom
(109,653 posts)non-inclusive, and non-representative.
And they're always full of messes like this.
That's why most of the country switched to primaries a long time ago.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)But i see you're back on the case! Good for you.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)Unfairness and inequity is part of the caucus DNA in EVERY election.
The fact that Hillary won Iowa didn't change my mind about caucuses.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511102254
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Your outrage is completely dependent on whether or not your candidate wins, pnwmom. Cut the shit, you're a zealot, not a crusader.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)common to caucus states and primary states.
Bringing them up now is just your attempt at distraction, to cover up your error.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)And in fact seemed really pleased with the outcome. not a peep of criticism. of course the candidate you favor happened to win, by a very slim margin. So why would you complain?
After all, if your candidate wins, then gosh, caucuses must be perfectly fine!
at least until the next one, where she loses.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)during, and afterwards.
But given the system we are stuck with, yes, I would rather Hillary win than not win. But it's a terrible system and I will continue to say so.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)pnwmom
(109,653 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Like I said, I figured you were taking well-earned breaks from your crusade. They just happened to coincide with caucuses your candidate came out ahead in. Pure happenstance.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)and "hate" and "caucus" and you'll see a huge number of hits.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Then I tried pnwmom, nevada, caucus.
I know that the string you suggested will get hits. I see you all over every caucus that Sanders wins, yelling about what shit caucuses are,.
But Iowa and Nevada, gosh, so little from Pnwmom on how awful she thinks caucuses are. in fact with Iowa, she seems super-happy with them. Here you are handwaving that as "well, it's the system we have' - yeah, it is. Funny how "it's the system we have" for your candidate's victories, but "an undemocratic travesty we should never use" when Sanders wins 'em.
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)problem using a search engine.
The first one I happened on was from March 2013, before anyone announced their candidacy for President.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=296262
The Washington caucuses are a joke. I went once or twice.
They are deliberately screening out everyone who doesn't have the 3 or 4 hours to spend debating on party platforms, etc.
And there are lots more like this:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511102254
Did you know, for example, that in a small Iowa precinct -- one with only 2 delegates -- the candidate with only 25% of the vote would get the same number of delegates as the one with 75% of the vote?
And that precinct delegates are then weighted based on how many people showed up to caucus in the previous Presidential election?
And that in the Democratic caucus there is no such thing as a secret ballot, and the whole process can take hours?
And they don't announce the final vote count -- just the delegate count?
All this is on top of the fact that caucuses are designed to limit voter participation, compared to the number who show up for primaries. If you have a class or a job that conflicts with the caucus time -- tough luck. You don't get a vote.
But we're still stuck with it in backwards states like Iowa -- and my own state, Washington (at least for the Dems. WA Repubs accepted the public preference -- as determined by a referendum -- for primaries for their delegate selection. The Dems hung on to their caucuses.)
This article was written at a time when the writer expected that Hillary would be ahead, but the points remain true no matter who gets the most voters to the caucuses. No matter who wins in actual votes, it is not likely to be reflected well in the delegate count -- unless they are very close to being tied anyway.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511122553
in Iowa and in all the other states that still rely on this antiquated system -- and should be replaced everywhere by primaries.
We have them in my state and I've hated them since the first time I attended one. On top of the problems we saw demonstrated last night, they are non-inclusive, non-representative, and have no secret ballots.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511102254
http://time.com/4172793/hillary-clinton-iowa-caucus-bernie-sanders/
The complicated rules of the caucus process are inherently tilted toward equalizing the strength of candidates, especially in a two person race. Only the number of delegates awarded in each precinct will be published on caucus night, which means there will be no official record of the candidate’s share of the voters at the caucuses—a figure that will likely more closely mirror the pre-caucus polls.
As a result, Clinton will be at the mercy of a process little changed over generations, in which candidates can tie the delegate count, even if Clinton has far more support inside the room. If Sanders surprises with an upset, by bringing more caucus goers out, he will face a similar result, which looks more like a draw.
Here’s how it works: Each of 1,681 precincts in the state is assigned a delegate count based on its relative strength of Democratic Party within that part of the state. To earn delegates, candidates are required to meet a threshold—25% in two-delegate precincts to 15% in precincts with four or more delegates—in order to earn any delegates from each precinct. (The vast majority of precincts have four or more delegates, requiring the 15% threshold.)
For the large number of precincts with an even number of delegates, however, Clinton would have to win by large majorities in order to net more total delegates than Sanders. In odd-numbered-delegate precincts, barring a blowout, Sanders would still pick up several delegates.
SNIP
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511058105
Unlike in the primaries, where each vote counts, under Iowa's anti-democratic caucus system, only candidates with 15% or more of the precinct vote are assigned delegates.
This will also affect Hillary and Bernie because candidates can have a substantial spread in the number of votes from individual voters, but be assigned the same number of caucus delegates. No one can get a fraction of a delegate, so two candidates with different vote counts can have the same delegate count.
And the actual vote counts are not publicized -- only the delegate counts.
Also, none of the votes are secret ballots. If, for example, a husband and a wife disagree, or an employer and an employee, they have to disagree openly and in public. And they get to try to persuade each other, publicly, to change their votes.
It's an antiquated system but it's what we're still stuck with in states like Iowa and my own state of Washington.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/us/politics/clinton-sanders-omalley-iowa-caucuses.html?mabReward=CTM&action=click&pgtype=Homepage®ion=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine
The arcane rules of Iowa’s Democratic caucuses mean that most O’Malley supporters will be ruled “nonviable” if he does not get 15 percent support at a caucus; his supporters will then be up for grabs by another candidate. With polls showing the race between Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Sanders narrowing to a near tie, O’Malley supporters, along with attendees who enter their neighborhood caucuses undecided, could swing the
pnwmom
(109,653 posts)local precinct (which might be hours of driving if you live in a rural area). And then some people have to be chosen to go to the next level -- at their own expense -- to represent you. And they have to travel even further away.
And when you choose these people to be your delegate you can't really be sure they'll show up at the next level; and if they do, whether they'll be a "faithful delegate" or a "faithless" one.
The only way to be SURE your vote is counted is to volunteer to be that delegate who spends days at multiple meetings, caucusing for your candidate. Most people care about who they elect -- but not that much.
This is practically the definition of voter suppression: make sure most voters won't jump through all the necessary hoops for their votes to count.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)That it wasn't meant to be, all about delegates and that Clinton had more so Sanders didn't even have a chance. Why the sudden shift in tone?
840high
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mudstump
(348 posts)Everything I have read says Hillary won Nevada. Has that changed? I'm not up to speed. Sorry
A big help
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)
rpannier
(24,607 posts)I was totally confused
I understand it a bit better now
Still sounds like a cluster way to do things.
Republicans have same issue in LA from what I read
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)that's some big momentum shift - thanks for posting
Jennylynn
(696 posts)Or can they be given to Hillary again at a later convention. At The State Convention?
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)My guess is there are already a bunch of sweaty hands typing up legal papers in the late night hours of someone's campaign, trying to see if they can exert some damage control
Jennylynn
(696 posts)
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...before the Sunday shows. Maybe Camp Weathervane will send out that "tone" guy again. He's good.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Seriously, both sides had roughly halftheir delegates staying home. You have to volunteer to be a delegate, so that's over four thousand people total who signed up and then were like "mmmnah, spongebob is on..."
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)I think I will watch this about 10 more times just to savor the event.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)thanks so much for that video.
Mark 750
(79 posts)My wife and I were Bernie delegates here and it was a long 11 hrs. Bernie crowd was very enthused and loud as the video shows. In the end as recorded Bernie had 2964 delegates present to Hillary's 2386. This translates to Bernie's 1611 delegates to the state convention to Hillary's 1297. The crowd went wild. It looks like that in the end if all holds up around the state, Bernie will pick up more delegates to the national convention than Hillary and realistically wins the state over Hillary.
Left Coast2020
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SunSeeker
(54,220 posts)Outragious, anti-democratic dirty tricks by the losing Sanders to steal Hillary's delegates.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=89068
The Sanders campaign flooded the room with people who had no right to be there, which had the effect of not allowing Hillary delegates into the room. The police were called to remove some of these not-invited BSers.
Also read the committee chairwomen looped Bernie's campaign into a private confidential email from the Clinton campaign which resulted in the Clinton campaign asking that she be replaced with a neutral person.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1107&pid=89070
Also, as documented by one DUer:
You wouldn't have to go into the convention as you would still be counted among the pledged delegates for your candidate. I heard a lot of Clinton's folks likely fell for that and didn't show up. The line for early check in (on Friday evening) was about a 2 + hour wait that started at 5pm PST and was supposed to go till 9pm PST. If some of those people were never told, they might have simply not come to the convention today. I got the same email, but since I want to try to go all the way to the National Convention, the Misses and I attended. Glad we did. Dirty tricks and all.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110789068#post5
jillan
(39,451 posts)Bernie supporter & Clark County's chair from the credentials committee.
They even made a video as proof.
nice
SunSeeker
(54,220 posts)As repprted by the well-repected Ralston Reports:
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Clark County Democratic Party Executive Board
Chris Miller, Chair
6233 Dean Martin Dr.
Las Vegas, NV 89118
chrisisademocrat@gmail.com
Re: Removal of Christine Kramer as Credentials Chair
Dear Chair Miller:
I write as general counsel to Hillary for America to request the immediate removal of Christine Kramar as Credentials Chair of the Clark County Democratic Convention to take place this Saturday, April 2. Throughout Hillary for America’s attempts to engage with Ms. Kramar regarding the credentialing of convention delegates and other matters, Ms. Kramar has publicly engaged in a series of egregious, disruptive and biased behavior that irreparably undermines her credibility to administer a fair and successful convention on Saturday.
First, in an email sent today, March 30, Ms. Kramar exposed confidential Hillary for America (“HFA”) campaign information and data by unilaterally adding a representative of Senator Sanders’ campaign into a chain of email correspondence between HFA, the Clark County Democratic Party and the Nevada State Democratic Party. As you know, the confidentiality and propriety of data is paramount to any campaign. Ms. Kramar’s carelessness – or worse – in exposing HFA’s data is plainly unacceptable and must not be tolerated.
Second, in another email sent today to both campaigns, Ms. Kramar engaged in a series of unwarranted and inexcusable personal attacks against HFA representatives, and frivolously accused HFA of engaging in unethical practices in its preparation for Saturday’s convention. Indeed, it is apparent from Ms. Kramar’s email that she is advocating for positions in her role as credentials chair based on candidate-specific grounds, rather than making impartial decisions that are in the best interest of the tens of thousands of Clark County Democrats who turned out to caucus last month and who wish to participate as delegates to the Clark County Democratic Convention. Ms. Kramer’s behavior is at odds with the values of Nevada Democrats and the spirit of the primary campaign between Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders.
In her latest email to both HFA and the Sanders campaign regarding the credentialing of delegates, Ms. Kramar issued HFA an ultimatum: either the county convention proceed on Saturday under the terms agreed upon by both campaigns or the convention be delayed for further discussion and resolution of various credentialing rules. To be clear: it is and always has been HFA’s position that the Clark County Democratic Convention proceed as scheduled and under the agreed-upon rules and procures. However, it is my strong belief that Ms. Kramar’s behavior demonstrate that she is not suited to administer the convention in an impartial way according to those rules and procedures. As a result, I respectfully request that this board immediately relieve Ms. Kramer from playing any role related to the credentialing of delegates or any other party procedures to take place at this Saturday’s county convention.
Please do not hesitate to contact me if it would be helpful to discuss this matter further.
Very truly yours,
Marc E. Elias
General Counsel to Hillary for America
https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/bernie-vs-hillary-boils-over-nevada-clark-convention
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)...To Harry Reid! 