Have you seen how outrageous the women of The View were to Bernie?

[berniesandero]

Have you seen how outrageous the women of The View were to Bernie? All of them, but the most terrible part was this one, when Joy told Bernie "Let's just forget about the war in Iraq". I bet she wouldn't be saying that if her son had died in this war. I guess these "feminists" find it fit to stand up for their candidate by being insensitive to all those veterans alive ( and all the dead and fucked up ones) who should have never gone there. Shame on these women

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[LiberalArkie]

1. And before Memorial day.

[tonyt53]

2. Or maybe it is how Bernie is treating the first woman with a real chance of becoming President

[Matt_in_STL]

4. Yes, how dare he run for President!

[KeepItReal]

5. How's he treating her? Other than like a candidate for President.

Give some examples of how Senator Sanders has disrespected or slighted or gave offense to "the first woman with a real chance of becoming President".

You do realize you have to support your arguments here, right?

[Javaman]

76. I think Tony is a lurker. nt

[bravenak]

91. When he said that Donald Trump wanting women jailed for abortions a 'distraction'.

And he went after Planned Parenthood for endorsing her over him. When he said nothing while his campaign staffer said 'we might think about making her VP", when she was far far far ahead of him, when he called her 'unqualified' simply because she did not rush to endorse his qualifications and said the voters would decide on qualifications. All that kinda pissed women off.

[AlbertCat]

112. When he said nothing while his campaign staffer said 'we might think about making her VP",

OMG! Call the police! Bernie didn't say something again!

From the start, I have never seen so much rending of garments over what Sanders DIDN'T say.

"Did you hear what Bernie didn't say today? It's so disrespectful! How dare he not say that!"

Well, if Clinton becomes president, I suppose we'll go to war if some leader points their finger at her.

[Bodych]

16. "The first woman" is NOT a credential

As much as Team Hillary wants it to be credential, it's not. Sorry.

[riversedge]

56. That poster did not say it was a credential. Learn to read please before you post .

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edited to insert missed word.

[Bodych]

71. Nonsense. And learn to write, please, before you post.

As much as I hate resorting to personal insults the way you attempted to do with me, sometimes you Team Hillary players demand it.

[riversedge]

77. the poster did not say credential. you did. and yes, thanks for the heads up. I

forgot a word and have now inserted it.

[Bodych]

84. Implied gender exceptionalism. Keep working on writing skills...

...but before I add you to my IL:

It is how Hillary is treating the first Jew with a real chance of becoming President.

I didn't say that religion is a credential, but I sure as hell implied it.

Good bye.

[larkrake]

101. Thats how I read it too

[notadmblnd]

18. I thought women wanted equal treatment not special treatment

Now Hillary should be treated as something special? Why should Senator Sanders treat her any different than he would treat any other candidate running?

[passiveporcupine]

31. ^^This^^

[Amimnoch]

86. oh bern! You'd make every misogynist right winger proud!

So I use profanity in the work place around men, it's okay to still use it around women who find it offensive? Okay.

So, I touch men on the shoulders at work all the time, it's okay to do the same to my female co-workers? alright.

So, I tell obscene jokes and talk about my time at the strip club last weekend around my male friends, so the women folk should just suck it up and be fine with that too??

It's called being a civilized person in a modern society.

Women in the work place have changed the rules of behavior at work and in society. Evolve past the 1950's level of arguments, or maybe you'd be more comfortable in that other party that likes to marginalize women?

[notadmblnd]

95. That would be Bernadette to you

And thanks for not addressing the question I asked.

Does she want special treatment because she's a woman or does she want equal treatment? You can't just toss out the sexism card and have it both ways when you find it more convenient.

[Amimnoch]

96. Yes, "bernadette" minorities of oppressed groups get special considerations.

Especially when it concerns areas where they've been marginalized.

WTF do you think affirmative action is for? Do you think people people of minority races can't claim racism and justify affirmative action at the same time??

WTF do you think EEOP laws are for?

WTF do you think hate crimes are for?

WTF do you think sexual harrassment laws are for?

People from minority groups that have a very well documented and established history of being marginalized DO get additional considerations, and frankly if you don't feel they are at all justified then perhaps you'd fit in better at Ann Coulters website, or free republic, because anyone that uses the logic you are using will fit in much better in those places imo.

[notadmblnd]

97. Thanks for admitting you want special treatment, not equal treatment.

BTW- EEOP stands for EQUAL Employment Opportunity Program. Not Special Employment Opportunity Program.

[Amimnoch]

98. Thanks for admitting you don't believe marginalized minorities deserve consideration.

[notadmblnd]

111. Nice try.

[treestar]

136. Very right wing comment

to call equality "special treatment."

[pnwmom]

131. She wants equal treatment but she's subject to a continual double standard.

Example 1: Colin Powell, working under the 1950 public records act, can put all his non-classified emails on a private server instead of a .gov account and make no copies and DELETE them all when he leaves office. But when Hillary Clinton, working under the exact same 1950 public records act, puts her non-classified emails on a private server instead of a .gov account, and saves them, and even prints them all out (as the law requires) -- then she's a TERRIBLE PERSON.

Example 2: Every Presidential candidate since 1976 has released multiple years of tax returns. Hillary beat them all by releasing 30 years worth, including years when neither of them were in public office. Bernie doesn't want to release more than one year of his, so he's trying to distract from that by demanding to see Hillary's speech transcripts. Even though no Presidential candidate has ever been asked to do so before. Even though many candidates in the past have delivered paid speeches (John Kerry did while he was still in the Senate because it was legal then.) No, this is just a special, made-up requirement for the first woman ever to get this far in the Democratic primaries.

[AlbertCat]

113. likes to marginalize women?

Because...yknow... women are too sensitive to hear profanity or obscene jokes. Talk of a strip club might send them into hysterics!

[Amimnoch]

118. So.. Pro-sexual harrassment. gotcha.

I guess those pesky laws and protections should just be removed from the books.

[noiretextatique]

128. When did Bernie touch her inappropriately or tell a sexist joke?

Your strawman construction does not pass even a cursory inspection. Epic fail.

[Amimnoch]

129. Cute. When you read up thread and get back to the reply,

Do feel free to make a more informed comment.

[scscholar]

26. Good point, plus his three wives...

[misterhighwasted]

39. Hillary & every Dem from the President on down the line.

So why are Dem delegates abandoning bernie again? Duh.

If he can't handle the Women of the View, how's he going to handle Trump's at Trump's Big Charitable Debate PR Show.
Wonder what The Donald will tell Bernie when he shoves his wagging finger in Trump's face like he did to Hillary?

This will be comedy gold for SNL

[AtheistCrusader]

116. what's trump going to tell Hillary when she shoves her wagging finger in his face?

Just kidding, they're old pals.

[A Simple Game]

42. Hillary voted for the war because she is a woman? Who knew?

And here I thought she voted for the war for political reasons, just like all of the other Democratic candidates that ran in '08 that were able to vote on the resolution.

[hollowdweller]

73. No she voted for the war because she was a coward.

She voted to send a bunch of poor and middle class kids to a clusterfuck in the middle east because she was afraid of voter sentiment at the time. However being a casualty of the election process is not more important than sending people to be a casualty of war.

However her daughter went from college to working for a hedge fund rather than the military.

[larkrake]

103. she voted for war because she wanted to be one of the boys

and make money. She has never had confidence to find her own voice and stand out against the majority

[treestar]

137. Afraid of voter sentiment?

You mean you don't think representatives should pay any attention to the voters?

[KPN]

58. There we go with the false misogyny meme again.

Some folks just have an axe to grind.

[zentrum]

65. How sexist....

...he is to not agree to a coronation.

(FYI--Feminist women here voting for Bernie.)

[coco77]

140. And I suppose that..

because we are women we are suppose to automatically vote for her. Its about the issues.

[merrily]

3. Behar is very smart, but not as well-informed as she imagines she is.

This has been my general impression of her for a long time.

But, that is one dumb comment! You cannot dismiss the importance of a war vote or get a mulligan on a war vote. That is really another reason I want Hillary to lose: That politicians stop seeing voting FOR a war as a safer choice for a politician than voting against a war. I think the war vote did cost Hillary votes in 2008. I wish it had cost her more votes in 2016.

[appalachiablue]

6. Elevated Trump fear and panic is being taken out on Bernie, and it's rotten

and increased over the last few weeks in particular. People like Joy should speak to Hillary about this, not Bernie. HC's campaign weaknesses including high unfavorables and invisibility are her own making, not Bernie's.

[retrowire]

27. bernie isnt the problem

You're right, they're taking their fears out on the wrong guy.

Everyone needs to step back and realize the fucking truth.

Had Bernie not even EXISTED, Hillary's baggage would STILL have us in this spot. It's just that Bernie's telling us HEY, SHE IS A SINKING SHIP!

And he didn't make it that way, that's just what is happening!

[appalachiablue]

48. Yes even without Bernie some of her chronic behavior is still problematic

and her very own creation. It's essentially a matter of how bad is it, in relation to other candidates I think. But once you've tried the Truck-Bernie brand things will never be the same!

[GoneOffShore]

67. Perfect cartoon. And I love the little 'A Division of Clinton Inc. Since 1979'

I'm adding that to my moniker for her - WJC-HRC Inc. Since 1979

[mainstreetonce]

7. Bernie has been on the View at least three times this season.

The women,including Behar were very accepting and encouraging. In fact they fell all over him.
His last visit was different . They feel like a lot of people that he is a problem now.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

10. every question was some form of, when are you dropping out? why are you hurting the party?

So i deleted my daily recording of the show. Maybe I'll watch again in a few months. I'll miss Whoopie and Raven tho

[Maedhros]

13. Yes, democracy is definitely a problem for the oligarchs and authoritarians. [n/t]

[nxylas]

33. I think they wanted a horse race

But the outcome was pre-determined. They were nice to Bernie before because it was in their owners' interests at the time to maintain the fiction that voters had a choice.

[passiveporcupine]

36. Yeah, of course he's the problem now

Cause he's still in the race. They just ASS U ME D that he'd have dropped out by now because he couldn't get any votes. Whoops. They ASS U ME D wrong.

He happens to be the voice of a very large group of people who are very happy he's willing to fight as hard as he has, in spite of it being such an uphill race. He's had the courage of a lion endure this far, and he is still courageous. He's not a giver upper...unlike some of the things Hillary has given up on, like single payer health care.

[mainstreetonce]

87. I think it went this way

They were asking him about why he was staying in and he started on his repeated speech. He is better than Hillary because he voted against
Iraq.
That is when Joy said forget the war. She meant don't change the subject.

He sounded like Trump.

[AlbertCat]

114. She meant don't change the subject.

Hillary's BAD SELF-SERVING JUDGEMENTS are the subject.

[mainstreetonce]

115. The point is she was not saying to forget the war.

She was saying Stick to the topic.

[coco77]

141. Bern ie is a threat to heir candidate now...

even the Republicons are mentioning him more and calling him names.

[jwirr]

8. Forget about an illegal war that has cost this country many

young people and is at least in part the reason for many of our economic problems.

I do not watch The View but that woman is one of the most stupid women I have heard in a long time.

[arcane1]

14. The Iraq War Dead are just pawns, tools exploited for votes, to many of Clinton's cheerleaders.

Not ALL, but too many.

[Ikonoklast]

70. Hillary: "Women have always been the primary victims of war."

Millions of dead men killed in wars don't count as actual victims in her universe, because...they're men.

[gaspee]

83. More civilians

Are killed in war than soldiers - and most of those civilians are women and children.

For example - 62% of the people of the millions killed in WWII were civilians.

[dreamnightwind]

94. This looks misleading to me

It's more dangerous to be in a war than to be a civilian. And the male/female ration of civilians is the male/female ratio of the population, minus the male/female components that are in the military. You lumped children in with women, whereas about half of those children are male.

What you're really saying is that 38% of the people killed in WWII were military, almost all of who were men. The civilian contingent would be split fairly evenly between men/women, with some tilt towards women because more men are in the military.

[SmittynMo]

9. The View is some type of corporate media.

Months ago, Joy was all over Bernie. She absolutely adored him. Not so much anymore. So what changed? I'm guessing she was told "get in line" with the establishment, or else.

It's quite sad witnessing the corruption that is going on during this election.

[lunamagica]

12. Or maybe she changed her mind? Perhaps she got to know him better and doesn't like him anymore?

Perhaps she thinks it's time to concentrate on Trump?

[LisaM]

41. The Vatican thing

He made some very misleading statements about it on "The View" and they probably didn't forget it.

[lunamagica]

53. That's probably it.

[AlbertCat]

117. Perhaps she thinks it's time to concentrate on Trump?

Good point!


Maybe Sanders and Trump should have a debate or something! Right?.... Right?

[retrowire]

24. yep. nt

[frankieallen]

130. Maybe she knows "BERNIE CANT WIN"

And he is hurting the party by pretending he has an inkling of a friggin chance. Get out Bernie, so we can concentrate on the general election, and TRUMP!

[LS_Editor]

11. Let's give her that much...

Fuck the victims on both sides.

And the fact HRC is a hawk, who never saw a military intervention she didn't like since she was elected a U.S. senator.

Fuck the corporate media, and the clapping fools who enable it.

[misterhighwasted]

44. Well then there's that MIC contract & F-35 billion$$ OOPS that bernie backed 100%

Bern's got his own hands deep in the MIC pockets as well.
Lockheed delivers the bombs that kills all those Iraqis you lay at Hillary's feet.
Bernie walked in lockstep with Lockheed & the MIC.
Don't forget that part when you're laying the entire ME War on Hillary.
Btw it was Bush's War.

[LS_Editor]

50. It was Bush's war that Hillary proudly said was okay to wage.

Unlike Bernie Sanders, who doesn't seem to have a voting record of using the weapons you are bitching about - you know, unlike Hillary Clinton.

[Else You Are Mad]

57. So building awful jet fighters that brought jobs to his state...

That will never be used is tantamount to lying or being willfully ignorant for political reasons that killed hundreds of thousands of lives?

[misterhighwasted]

60. Yaa for bern! Jobs for VT building the planes that drop the bombs on Iraqis!!

Whoo hoo..heck of a job bern!

[Else You Are Mad]

62. If Bernie is president...

Those planes will not be used in war, if Hillary is president, they most certainly will be used.

[misterhighwasted]

69. LOL Ya you know that how, again?

Too bad all those VT families will be outta work!
Well I guess bern could always get his army of bros to just yell the terrorists away.

Ya, like bern's going to order all wars to stop.
Nice dream.

[HillareeeHillaraah]

78. Because if Bernie was elected...

...the rest of the planet would simply stop fighting, don'tcha know?

[Else You Are Mad]

80. Well

I don't, but Bernie doesn't have the same war hawk tendencies that Hillary Clinton has.

[LiberalLovinLug]

122. So you are a pacifist hippie?

You don't believe in having a standing army, that includes fighter jets?

Or you just don't want jets built in Vermont?

Are you just as vocal on your anti-weapons rant about Hillary's New York State's military contractors?

Here's one:

http://www.wescomfginc.com/flash_index.html

[NoMoreRepugs]

75. I'm reasonably certain the F-35 contract wasn't the result of just Bernie's vote..

not sure who is 'laying the entire ME War on Hillary'...... only a maroon
would do that...

[zeemike]

88. And as president will feel obliged to have another war.

To show us how tough she is...just like the men who were war presidents.
That is what should concern us...but those who think it is great will never have to go to war or suffer from it. They will live safely in their gated communities with their well paid jobs while people die for them.

[liberalnarb]

15. Sure we should just let Iraq "go".

After all it wasn't that big of a deal.

[notadmblnd]

17. Why is Joy impersonating Sally Jesse Rapheal?

[glinda]

19. Have noticed a trend in some women

becoming very aggressive, bitchy and bossy. Even to me if I show support for Sen. Sanders. I was recently attacked over and over again on my FB page also.
It sort of reminds me of when several of the women I worked with years ago...well our menses all co-ordinated eventually.

[SunSeeker]

35. Why would anyone on Facebook attack someone who calls women "very aggressive, bitchy and bossy"?

[glinda]

100. That was low. And not well thought out either unless you are trying to emulate those

words.
When someone attacks a person in a bullying and bossy manner just because they support another candidate or ideas is insane. Poor form anyways. It really is sad. I usually try to give others some respect unlike some people.

[SunSeeker]

110. Yes, it's so "bossy" of me to quote you.

[AlbertCat]

119. who calls women "very aggressive, bitchy and bossy"?

Uh.... you left out the "some".... a small but important word.

[SunSeeker]

123. So it's ok to call women "aggressive, bitchy and bossy" as long as it's just "some women"?

I think you missed my point AlbertCat. When was the last time you saw anyone say, let alone post, that men, or even just "some men," are "aggressive, bitchy and bossy." Those words are reserved for punishing and shaming assertive women. The epithets are plainly sexist.

[AlbertCat]

124. The epithets are plainly sexist.

Well, we just had a whole thread on how Sanders and Trump debating was all "white male privilege".

"The epithets are plainly sexist."

When one is playing the sex card....of course they are.

[SunSeeker]

125. Do you accuse African Americans pointing out racist language of "playing the race card"?

Why accuse a woman pointing out sexist language of "playing the sex card"? Are you try to shame me for being a feminist?

[glinda]

126. I could just as we'll have described the behavior another way right?

Like bullying, mean, hostile, aggressive attacks using "being female" as the rational for verbally abusing another female. Doesn't bother some that have attacked me that I am a female.I am tired of the behavior and have been the brunt of it way more than I would like to say since I think SOME women should be beyond this and not attack other females especially in their own "spaces online".
That is all I was trying to say. It is abusive. And very very very angry.

If a person wants me to vote for some one else I would think presenting their best side rather than coming at me with attacks would be more convincing. And appreciated.

[SunSeeker]

127. Why didn't you use that gender neutral language?

When you use sex-specific epithets, you attack not only that person, but that entire sex. Such language implies the behavior you are unhappy with is related to them being female.

[glinda]

132. I could have yes.

Was using it in an Urban sort of usage. I forgot how it came off as it is also used to both sexes. Although yes it is viewed as you say. But yes I could have used other words like "violent abusive verbal assaults meant to intimidate" or "threatening" or something.
But whatever the term I hope some can get the point that I am sick of this behavior that only happened during this election cycle. To me anyways with no provocation.
But I have sat long enough putting up with it and no more. No one deserves abuse and bullying.

[SunSeeker]

134. I understand that being a feminist takes some effort, especially when you're angry.

But you clearly have the eloquence to stand up for yourself and say what you want to say, as your above post demonstrates, without resorting to language that puts all women down...even in an "Urban usage" setting.

[glinda]

135. That is sweet.

But PS. I do not identify with any group such as feminist or any.

[passiveporcupine]

20. If only she learned her lesson from Iraq

but her actions as SOS clearly show she didn't. She is still a war hawk.

[Shemp Howard]

21. It's all about "Madam President".

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Horrible, horrible wars...forget about them. We've got a glass ceiling to break.

[Else You Are Mad]

64. I hear...

Drones are very good at breaking ceilings...

[retrowire]

22. They are all actors on a stage. nt

[KoKo]

93. You Got that Damned Straight! Thank You!

Charletans and Liars raking in the Millions from MSM Celebrity Contracts...Controlled by their "Owners." ~! No honor, dignity, principles, except, "Who Pays Me More to Entertain the Innocents."

[Paladin]

23. They didn't kneel before him, and proclaim him their lord and savior?

For shame.

[greiner3]

38. That's a fucked up dtatement

Considering you apparently consider Hillary as such

[Trajan]

85. Man, for a time, I was right at your side in the Gungeon

Now ... You are pitiful ...

Gone .... For good ...

[Paladin]

92. Thanks, I owe you one. (nt)

[theaocp]

25. Yea, the republicans started that war and everybody knows it was a mistake, so

maybe we just let that go already, amiright? What an unbelievably ignorant fucking comment.

[Else You Are Mad]

28. Holy cr@p!

Bernies facial expression after hearing that we should just forget about the Iraq war is utter disgust. And rightfully so!!

What she said there really boils down to: "why are talking about a few thousand dead American soldiers and a few hundred thousand dead Iraqis?!? It is hurting Hillary, so let's forget about all those that died and back Hillary!!"



ETA: Even the audience that was clapping was hesitant, it sounded like the stage director or whatever the position is called signaled the audience to clap and they hesitated.

[Shemp Howard]

52. Bernie was too polite there.

To say that we should just forget about a horrible war - a horrible ongoing war - that's a sickening thing to say. Bernie let Joy off too easily, but maybe he was just stunned by that remark..

[Else You Are Mad]

55. He was without a doubt stunned.

The face he made said it all. How anyone could defend what Joy said is either ignorant or lying.

[AlbertCat]

120. signaled the audience to clap and they hesitated.

This is an actual thing that happens on all live TV, y'know.

Anyone who has been in the audience for a live TV show knows there's an audience liaison...who pumps them up and indeed tells them when to react.

[misterhighwasted]

29. Gee, I enjoyed the heck out of that !

Cheered the Women, even!!
Good for them.

[Else You Are Mad]

37. Why are we letting...

Thousands of innocent lives that were murdered get in the way of Hillary's presidency?!

[pnwmom]

43. Because fair people know that Hillary did NOT vote for the war in Iraq,

she voted for the IRW, the purpose of which was to put pressure on Iraq to let the UN WMD inspectors in. It isn't Hillary's fault that Bush disregarded the conditions in the IWR and, 6 months later, went to war before the inspections were completed.

And if Hillary, Biden, Kerry, and every other Dem voted against the IRW, it would have made no difference at all. The incoming Congress in January would have given Bush a blank check IWR for his war, and he would have gone to war in March anyway.

[Else You Are Mad]

46. But, as the former First Lady & a Senator from...

The state that was most impacted by the terror attacks on 9/11, if she stood up and fought against the war in Iraq, that would have been a clarion call to the American people that we should not go into Iraq. But she didn't and hundreds of thousands died from the cowardice of all the Democrats that did not fight back to prevent the invasion.

[pnwmom]

51. You are forgetting that we had a majority of Republicans in the House and Senate that January

and nothing the junior Senator from NY could have said would have stopped them from authorizing that war.

[Else You Are Mad]

61. Keep telling yourself that.

She just left the white house a few years prior and was one of the most powerful and well known Democrats and women at the time. If she stood up to the Republicans she would have had swayed the minds of the people that were being lied to by the Republicans.

[robbob]

66. So if a great wrong is about to occur

...and there is nothing you can do to stop it, that means you shouldn't speak out against it? At least go on the record as being against it? Or instead speak out FOR it, since there is nothing you can do to stop it?

That's messed up, man.

[pnwmom]

68. I never see people here outraged that Kerry voted for the same IWR

or Biden, or the other Democrats.

[robbob]

90. I was living in Boston in 2002

(back in Canada now, thank God), and the spinelessness of ALL the Democratic representatives who refused to stand up to BushCo at the time because of the "political mood" after 9/11 sickened me then, as it still does to this day.

They aren't running for President at the moment, but if they were I would hope to see the same criticism regarding the IWR.

[treestar]

139. You didn't say it regarding Kerry in 2004?

Very interesting.

[robbob]

142. How are you gleaning anything I did or didn't say about Kerry from the post I put up?

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Some mind reading trick. But the truth of the matter is I moved back to my home in Canada in 2002 after the USA invaded Iraq. I marched many miles through Boston in order to protest the upcoming war, and saw B* on Tv denouncing all the hundreds of thousands of Americans as some "focus group". The day the invasion actually took place I walked into my boss's office and told him I was heading back home, and walking away from an 80K/year job. He said he wished he could join me.

After I moved back I spent the next several years decompressing and really didn't pay much attention to the 2004 elections, although I had a strong feeling B* would win again, and felt Kerry was a very weak candidate to take him on.

I will give you this: I don't recall anyone making much of a fuss over Kerry's vote on the IWR. Maybe 2 years into the war the true horror over one of the most costly and foolish blunders in American history had yet to sink in? Maybe if he were running for POTUS today people would be more critical? Or maybe it IS because people are looking for something to bash Hillary with, and maybe another candidate wouldn't be criticized like this.

I don't know the answer, and you don't either, but I do know this: the invasion of Iraq was a great evil, voting for the IWR was WRONG, and once the invasion occurred politicians should have had the courage to speak out against it.

[treestar]

143. So you're not American and didn't vote

Still anyone standing on the IWR vote as disqualifying should not have voted for Kerry either. And he ran closer to the vote.

[treestar]

138. wow she was that powerful?

That's all it would have taken to turn the post 911 nation into peaceable doves?

[Shemp Howard]

59. You make a good point, except...

Once that illegal and immoral war started, it was every Senator's duty to stand up and loudly denounce it. Hillary did NOTHING.

This is not a knock against Hillary specifically. Most politicians did nothing, either because they actually agreed with the war, or they felt that opposing it would harm them politically.

Agreeing with the war, or putting politics before belief...either possibility is repulsive.

But there is a third possibility, that the politician in question was honorable, but was fooled by Bush. That is not repulsive, but it is a huge negative in my book, too huge for me to get past.

[Scootaloo]

105. It's the "IWR," actually. As in "Iraq War Resolution."

Or in the formal legalese, the "Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002"

I can see how Clinton might be confused into thinking it isn't a war resolution or a resolution for the use of military force against Iraq. Clearly, Bush is too clever for her by far.

(cough)

[pnwmom]

107. Yes, I see I spelled it both ways in my post. Thanks for your hugely important contribution. n/t

[Scootaloo]

108. You're welcome.

Now back to cutting excuses for why it's okay to erase the lives of half a million human beings because their deaths are an inconvenience for Hillary Clinton.

[misterhighwasted]

49. Why aren't we laying blame on bernie for supporting the MIC 100%

Bern welcomed tge F-35 into his state.
Remember that Lockheed & the MIC builds the planes & drops the bombs that kill all those Iraqis you lay at Hillarys feet.
Bernie backs the MIC that dropped the bombs that killed those Iraqis.
See how it works?
Berns got blood on his hands as well.

[Else You Are Mad]

63. The military...

Is fighting to not have to use those poorly designed jets, so chances are they never will be used to murder innocent people.

[misterhighwasted]

74. Oh please. Bern's voted for the MIC War Machine to kill Iraqis

Gave them his blessing thru the MIC funding bill from day one of Bush's war.

So he said no to war but then votes to fund the MIC that kills the Iraqis.
Go bern!


Bye.

[Ned_Devine]

106. Not even the same story, but nice try

She championed the Iraq invasion. Once the president is given war powers by congress, congress must then fund said endeavor. Bernie supported the troops that were committed but opposed the war. There's a major difference that seems to be going right over your head.

[passiveporcupine]

45. Another yellow button

Buh Bye!

Plonk

[Trust Buster]

30. This thread should be entitled "How many t.v. personalities can we hate on in one day.

Today it's Maddow and Joy and counting.

[Thinkingabout]

32. Is the ladies of the View under the bus now? He has passed many opportunties to talk

about foreign policy, guess this program is where he wanted to talk about his foreign policy.

[oldandhappy]

40. I am off cable. Thank goodness.

[Else You Are Mad]

47. This is on broadcast TV

But I get your sentiment. I haven't watched any news at all on television in years.

[Lil Missy]

54. Hillary is not personally responsible for President Cheney's war.

It's time to put it to rest already!

[Enthusiast]

72. Alright, Joy, now you are dead to me too. ABC sucks so very much anyway.

[riversedge]

79. Sanders has yet to put forth a coherant foreign policy. Yet he feels it is his

duty to rake Hillary over the coals every chance he gets for the resolution vote.

[Shemp Howard]

82. Bernie: Quit starting wars.

That sounds like a pretty coherent foreign policy to me.

[redstateblues]

109. Bernie's Foreign policy? Break up the big banks!!

[UMTerp01]

81. Poor wittle Bernie

[AlbertCat]

121. Well, he isn't the one who looked like an ass.

too bad for you

[felix_numinous]

89. Screw all the vets

yea that's it, who cares about about whole countries destroyed--move on, next!!

just in case.

[MisterP]

99. hens often attack violently at the sight of blood

[Scootaloo]

102. To Bernie? Forget Bernie, Joy's just hand-waving half a million dead people!

Millions more directly harmed. Even more millions being torn apart by indirect after-effects.

"Just let it go"? This ain't "Frozen" and you ain't Princess Elsa, Joy. What the fuck is wrong with you, just let it go?

For fuck's sake.

[larkrake]

104. Hes in traing for the Bern/Trump debate

Trump is a whiney little girl

[demwing]

133. I know what Bernie will say, and don't care what "The View" cast says

why would anyone care what those people think or say?