‘This is crap’: Howard Dean loses it after MSNBC host calls Clinton-Lynch meeting ‘inexcusable’

[DonViejo]

[k8conant]

1. Talk about avoiding the subject!

[lapucelle]

7. Of course the MSM is avoiding the subject of jobs. BORING

It also avoids the subject of policy. Mindless gossip over non-issues and speculation concerning missing airplanes get ratings.

Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch had a courtesy call on the tarmac is full view of everyone at a busy airport, and the reason why they weren't worried about the "optics" is because they both know that Hillary is not the subject of the investigation.

These two gals remind me of the busybody Queen Bee moms at the playground critiquing everyone else's kids.

[k8conant]

14. Which two gals? Hillary and Loretta?

[zentrum]

22. Not in full view.

The meeting was behind closed doors, on the airplane. An "appearance" that could be construed as rather very private. And it lasted a half hour.

There's no room in an ongoing investigation for a meeting of this kind.

One never has to discuss the issues at all. All Bill had to do was discuss the grandkids, remind Loretta of "that time we had so much fun", glad-hand her with his charm which I'm told id irresistible, allude to what so and so good friend in common said about how great Hillary will be for (fill in the blank). Such things are stacked with meaning, soft diplomacy and friendly pressure—at least it can appear as such.

It's inappropriate and the person really shocking in this scene—is Lynch herself. As an officer of the law, she really did knew better and should have sent her polite regrets.

[Urchin]

32. I agree

They had to have known that any private meeting at that time would have been highly inappropriate.

They should have said hello in public and then have gone their separate ways.

But despite knowing how it would look, what they had to talk about must have been so important they talked about it anyway.

[brush]

43. Oh please. Now we have TarmacGate, or TarmacGhazi if you prefer.

Whitewater, Vince Foster's "murder", Travelgate, Benghazi, Emailgate — did I leave anything out?

Now this.

It's just the latest non-scandal to attempt to bring down the Clintons. None of them have been anything but bs.

One thing that everyone seems to be ignoring is that the meeting on the plane, being publicly known and all, made the FBI and DOJ get off the pot and bring an end to stringing out endlessly this latest Clinton non-scandal.

Oh wait, Emailgate is no longer the latest. Now we have TarmacGhazi, and willing Dems helping to carry repug water.

But back to my point. What was it, 3, maybe 4 days later the FBI finally ended this by interviewing Clinton? And of course, as many of us have been saying over and over and over on these email threads, there will be no charges as Clinton was never the target of the probe anyway.

Please, no more Dems carrying repug water for TarmacGhazi, this new anti-Clinton non-scandal.

[zentrum]

52. I know you enjoy

…..writing "bs" and all that attains thereof. But your assumptions are insulting.

I'm not carrying Repub water and never would. How do you even know I'm not a Hillary supporter? The meeting has a bad appearance for legal reasons. It has a bad appearance when it comes to rule-bending and judgment. Be huffy all you want but we are now dealing with the General and with the vast main stream, not the choir at DU. Being awake and honest about these things gives off a better odor—believe me.

[brush]

53. The Big Dog is still a sly fox.

It was a chance public encounter, not a surreptitiously planned clandestine meeting. Clinton and Lynch are both attorneys and know what legal boundaries not to cross. Pleasantries were exchanged between Clinton and Lynch and her husband and that's about it.

What was it, 3, maybe 4 days later the FBI finally ended this by interviewing Clinton? And of course, as many of us have been saying over and over and over on these email threads, there will be no charges as Clinton was never the target of the probe anyway.

Those saying the Big Dog is losing it better think again. Maybe his intention all along, because he knew there is no chance of an indictment, was to get the some traction on this and get rid of this emailghazi hanging over the campaign's head.

[zentrum]

54. Happy to see it that way, but

……I can't. It seems just another example of the assumptive base the Clintons operate from. Which sets it up again and again to hand over ammunition for the RW to pick up and run with for years, costing us election wins, exhausting the country with Clinton fatigue and with politics in general. (Remember how Gore couldn't campaign with Clinton in 2000 because of Bill's little scandal?)

The Clintons know they are a super target of the RW, always under scrutiny—and yet they do keep doing things that allow the RW to tie the country in knots, and meanwhile, good Democratic policy be damned.

If you know you're being watched by hostile pols you dot every i—don't you? The Cintons may prevail in the end but they also hand to enemies days and weeks of negative airtime, again and again and again.

(And I for one think he was up to no good—trying, in fact, to exert Big Dog charm on her for a very specific reason. Beyond proof, of course. But that's what "appearance" means. )

[brush]

56. C'mon, her husband was on the plane too.

[zentrum]

57. Not saying Bill tried

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…..to seduce her sexually, for God sakes.

Husband not an obstacle. The more to throw charm dust at the merrier!

[LuvLoogie]

11. After 30 years of BS accusations, and not one charge, of course the outrage was

predictable. But why should we be cowed into blaming the Clinton's for not saving us from RW scandal mongering and MSM shark feeding? I can't coddle handwringing on the left over "bad optics." Touch tone revolutionaries have no heart.

[floppyboo]

42. Not one charge? What about all the underlings? There certainly were charges. nt

[Akicita]

46. Bill Clinton was charged with perjury and suborning perjury by the House of Representatives.

He was acquitted by the Senate.

[LuvLoogie]

58. That was not a criminal charge, nor was it tried in the judiciary.

That was a purely political impeachment, where they had the votes in the House, but not the Senate.

The impeachment of Bill Clinton given as an example on the Democratic Underground is laughable. The touch tone Revolution truly has no heart.

[Iliyah]

2. Journalism is dead. The so called "reporter" gets his/her orders of what to report

on the "news" from the upper and owners of the news affiliates which overall are owned by conservatives who hate democracy.

Way to go Gov. Dean!

[BlueCaliDem]

3. Since the indictment fairy left town and BENGHAZI didn't go anywhere, U.S. M$M is now hyping a

impromptu meet, in PUBLIC, on the tarmac as the next Clinton-scandal since they can't help Republicans campaign on things they've actually done for the American people that would warrant electing a Republican and Republicans to positions of power.

Howard Dean is SO correct (and pissed off poor Republican-in journalist's clothing, Alex Witt) - this is CRAP.

Clearly, M$M is in the tank for Republicans - ALL Republicans - and they have long given up the ruse that they're still a viable 4th Estate.

[k8conant]

15. It wasn't in PUBLIC:

Bill Clinton went into Lynch's plane.

[zentrum]

25. For half an hour.

That's a lot of just "sayin' hi".

Though I too believe they were careful to not discuss the case. Bill just used his time to remind Loretta how much they have in common, how many people they know in common and how connected the Clintons are, in a friendly sort of way.

[Yupster]

29. If they are such good old personal friends

that they can spend a half hour talking about old times, then what is she doing as part of this investigation at all then?

Whenever I do jury service, they ask me if I know any of the lawyers, defendant, etc. If I have a personal relationship with any of them I am dismissed.

If she is old friends with them of course she shouldn't be involved with this case at all.

[zentrum]

38. Well, but see….

…there remains the problem of her allowing the meeting with Bill because that indicates she doesn't seem to recognize how these boundaries are supposed to work. This tarmac meeting casts doubt on her legal and political awareness of such appearances of conflict, altogether. For all we know she should have recused herself long ago.

It's an impossibly tangled thing now. Even if Hillary is never indicted, this adds to the narrative of the Clintons being untrustable, always breaking the rules etc. It's sure not helpful.

[Akicita]

47. Impossibly tangled. Just the way the Clintons like it. It's the status they try to get to with all

their scandals. We can look forward to eight years of impossibly tangled scandals that will drive the RW crazy and leave us shaking our heads.

[left-of-center2012]

4. I saw that

Dean was upset because they weren't discussing issues,
but going over-and-over GOP talking points against Clinton.

[dixiegrrrrl]

13. Didja notice..

when the 2 women were trashing the Clintons, they both let each other talk.
When Howard Dean tried to say something, they both instantly started talking above him to drown him out.

THAT's why tv is useless for any significant information.

[left-of-center2012]

27. I did

Sad. Very sad.

[Wellstone ruled]

5. Mr. Dean won't be getting any invites

for quite some time. Glad he called these twits out. As some one pointed out,and it is so blaring,the local affiliates are going hard Right Wing and seems most on air Talent are doing editorializing each and every broadcast.

[lapucelle]

6. I hope Dr. Dean runs for Senate.

He's a straight shooter and a real Democrat.

[floriduck]

8. I think he has a nice lobbying job now. It likely pays well too.

[DinahMoeHum]

12. Either that, or he's bucking for a Cabinet position.

n/t

[brush]

44. There have been some calls for him to run against Sanders as many have soured on Bernie's . . .

graceless campaign end game.

[Eric J in MN]

51. Sanders and Leahy are more liberal than Howard Dean. NT

NT

[zebonaut]

9. Minutia. Crap Nobody Cares about. Distractions. Non Issues. Juicy Sexy Nonsense. GOP loves it

[yallerdawg]

10. "This IS crap!"

Now whenever two Democrats meet and exchange social amenities, we have a "conspiracy"!

God, the Republicans and the M$M are working the least consequential things in our lives to perpetuate the myth of a serious presidential contest in November.

The Republicans 'screwed that pooch' when the best they could come up with was Trump. A 'Sarah Palin-type' candidate is now headlining the ticket!

We will not be distracted by more BS. Had enough already.

[calimary]

16. Might be good to start tweeting them. On their pages.

Just put their names into that subject bar at the top (or whatever you call it) and there'll be many options that come up for Alex Witt and Nicolle Wallace and whoever else, and you can post tweets on their page. Let 'em know you're watching, you know it's crap, and you're keeping track.

[BootinUp]

33. +1

[LenaBaby61]

17. Very rarely do I watch...

MSNBCRNCTMZ any longer. Once it was bought by Comcast (Who love Donald Trump rarings), and the more "liberal" hosts were sent packing, I went packing.

[annabanana]

18. I miss Jon Stewart. .

Alex Witt needs a "Crossroads" intervention . . . .

[raindaddy]

19. Howard Dean wants to talk about health care for the American people? Really???

Howard used to be an advocate for single payer until he became employed by a heath care lobby firm..

Now he thinks single payer might result in “chaos” because “trying to implement it would in fact undo people’s health care.”

Just another corporate shill...

[zentrum]

24. Agreed. Who he

….advocates for now is truly shocking.

[raindaddy]

39. Sold out...

Everytime he appears as a represtative of the Democratic Party they should disclose that he's a lobbyist for the healthcare industry..

Why aren't we talking about healthcare my ass!

[wryter2000]

20. I'm still a Deaniac

Give 'em hell, Howard

[markj757]

21. Unfortunately, I have to admit, it showed extremely poor judgement unbecoming of an Attorney General

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Although Bill Clinton as a former president, carries much of the blame for putting the Attorney General in such a terrible position, she was duty bound to respond in a way becoming of her office. And she failed miserably. I'm black, and I take a tremendous amount of pride in her being the first black female Attorney General, but this was a devastating career altering failure. There was talk of her being nominated to the Supreme Court. I'm sure Obama won't fire her for this lapse in judgement because it doesn't rise to that level, but its a terrible stain on what I've heard was a brilliant career. And only if Hillary Clinton is elected can she help minimize the blowback to her career in government. I'm sure she will do extremely well in the private sector....but AG is probably where her career ends in government. Unless she runs for some type of elected office of course.

[ejbr]

28. Very well said

The only path out for her is handing an indictment, but who would do that, on the left, for her career?

[markj757]

34. Thanks

Thanks for the compliment.

[markj757]

31. And I just have to add......

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I don't think people fully appreciate the position the Attorney General found herself in when Bill Clinton strolled onto her plane. Not only is he a former President of the United States, but he is also the husband of the woman who has a 75% chance of becoming her boss in January. Bill Clinton was also the man who nominated her to be US Attorney for the Eastern District of New York in which she might not even be Attorney General without that high profile job. And she basically had to find a politically correct way to tell him, I'm sorry Mr President, but with all due respect, you need to get the hell off my plane!!! It was probably a no win situation, and she made a bad choice. And I can only imagine, but I think nobody is probably more furious of Bill putting his AG in that situation than Obama.

[avaistheone1]

41. I strongly agree.

[brush]

45. Exaggerate much? TarmacGhazi is just the latest repug-generated non-scandal trying to bring down .

the Clintons. You mean from now on if two prominent Democrats who know each other (Clinton having appointed her as a US Attorney), have a chance encounter, it's grist for the repug scandal mill? I mean what was Lynch supposed to do, shoo away a former president who appointed her from the plane? Of course not. It was not a clandestinely arranged meeting. It was a chance encounter, and both being attorneys and aware of what legal boundaries not to cross, pleasantries were exchanged as people do in those situation and that was that.

I doubt Lynch will be harmed by this as Hillary Clinton was never the target of the probe in the first place despite all the months and months of repug and repug-water-carrying Dems declarations that it was a criminal investigation targeting Hillary Clinton.

And did you happen to notice the public nature of the encounter just happened to maybe force the FBI and DOJ to get off the pot finally with emailgate? What was it, 3, maybe 4 days later the FBI finally ended it by interviewing Clinton? And of course, as many of us have been saying over and over and over on these email threads, there will be no charges as Clinton was never the target of the probe anyway.

[markj757]

55. This incident is completely different, and not just a repug-generated non-scandal.....

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First, even AG Lynch has said the meeting caused a cloud over the probe, and she would not do it again. That makes it an act unbecoming of the office she holds.

Second, the meeting forced her to basically say said she would accept the recommendation of FBI career professionals, but this is actually an abdication of her responsibilities as AG. She is suppose to review the recommendation of career professionals, and overrule if she deems it necessary, not accept their findings because she lacks credibility to overrule them because of the private Clinton meeting.

Finally, and this is the most important point. Hell yeah she was suppose to "shoo him away" and inform the former President it was inappropriate for them to meet privately before the probe is concluded. She was duty bound to do so, although she may have lost her job if Hillary was elected, or been passed over for a supreme court nomination because of it; her duties as Attorney General required nothing less, and we should expect nothing less Republican or Democrat.

She basically made a political calculation the meeting would go unnoticed if she did not discuss the case, instead of having the political courage to do what her office required. And her credibility is severely weakened because of that failure in judgement.

[Akicita]

48. Just another honest, decent person who was tainted and stained by the Clintons.

Do you think Bill cared one whit what impact this meeting could have on her up to this point brilliant career? Given all that, she should have known better.

[SharonClark]

50. Would you like to provide some examples to go with that Fox talking point?

[ericson00]

23. honestly, who cares about the Clinton emails;

she and Bill can do whatever the hell they want; they're party heroes and American icons.

[truebluegreen]

26. Seriously people, the optics were Fucking Terrible--

and perception is everything. WTF was Bill thinking? Does he WANT Hillary to catch heat for stupid crap? If not, he should stop doing stupid crap.

[LenaBaby61]

30. Don't like the fact that Big Dog talked with Lynch...

However, the GOP is still trying to milk blood from the turnip that is Benghazi. I mean REALLY.

So I'm not even going to sweat this meeting between Clinton or Lynch, even though the optics can be seen as negative.

[redstateblues]

35. Andrea Mitchell's ginned up outrage makes

Me want to throw up

[riversedge]

36. saw Andreas faux outrage this morning and had to mute her. She

will havea heart attach soon, the way she was carry on about Hillary and Bill (above the law and all that crap).

[Akicita]

49. What happened to Andrea? She used to be one of Hillary's biggest suckups.

[riversedge]

37. Good job Dean.

[SunSeeker]

40. Thank you, Dr. Dean.

[NorthCarolina]

59. Howard Dean should be posing those same questions to the party leaders. -nt-