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NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:46 AM Jul 2016

Understanding Bernie's endgame plan.

Great video, should answer all your questions with regards to Bernie's endgame.

Spoiler alert: Turns out it's not his "ego" that keeps him in the race, much to the chagrin of those that prefer to think along those lines. Enjoy!


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Understanding Bernie's endgame plan. (Original Post) NorthCarolina Jul 2016 OP
I never for one second thought it was his ego. Uncle Joe Jul 2016 #1
You're right.... with Bernie it's still about "US" and "WE", not him, he is merely the vehicle AikidoSoul Jul 2016 #14
Spot on. Exactly. Well said bjobotts Jul 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #2
I still don't have any sense that this is either an endgame or a plan. lapucelle Jul 2016 #3
He lost. Why should his surrogates be on the programs? brush Jul 2016 #4
^^^^ This. ehrnst Jul 2016 #5
That horse race mentality is so shallow.We are all coming together to decide our party platform bjobotts Jul 2016 #16
So what are you saying? That Sanders and his surrogates should still be campaigning . . . brush Jul 2016 #18
27 million primary voters had a say . It was the primaries SkeleTim1968 Jul 2016 #27
Would be more believable from a non-bias source. eastwestdem Jul 2016 #6
^That Orrex Jul 2016 #8
Is it worth nine minutes? Orrex Jul 2016 #7
Typical main-stream DNC thinking... modestybl Jul 2016 #10
Because I don't care to watch a 9 minute campaign ad for the loser? Orrex Jul 2016 #12
Wrong. He will become a strong, important member of the senate like Warren. He and her bjobotts Jul 2016 #17
Yeah, we'll see. Orrex Jul 2016 #21
Senator Sanders liberal from boston Jul 2016 #22
A binary world. LOL but true. floriduck Jul 2016 #9
ROFL. I work with worms. They shit all over the place, wind up living in it, and can't jtuck004 Jul 2016 #11
Okay, I kind of disagree with your message, but... kag Jul 2016 #15
Bernie's "endgame" has already ended MaggieD Jul 2016 #13
What shallow thinking. His endgame is to have the dem platform stand for what the majority bjobotts Jul 2016 #19
He lost by a huge percentage MaggieD Jul 2016 #24
Your information is not true.....please research a bit more. Avoid the MSM lies. Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #23
Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary now because we need to slam Trump..... Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #25
This is so offensive MaggieD Jul 2016 #26
Sorry Maggie ...it's true and there are many of us true Democrats...to bad you feel that way!!!?.. Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #28
It's obejectively UNTRUE MaggieD Jul 2016 #29
Maggie....Bernie is the true Dem...Hillary took donations from big banks and big corps..it's simple. Pauldg47 Jul 2016 #31
Follow the Money Evergreen Emerald Jul 2016 #30

AikidoSoul

(2,150 posts)
14. You're right.... with Bernie it's still about "US" and "WE", not him, he is merely the vehicle
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jul 2016

to get the platform and policies that will make better lives for all of us ordinary citizens, working folks, students, the aged, the infirm, etc. He is a true progressive.

What I love about the video is that the point is made that the Clinton team can't see that he is what he seems....a guy who lays his cards on the table and says what he means. That is his most enduring reputation by those who have worked closely with him.

They don't seem to be capable of getting that...and the whys of that are because they don't have a shred of Bernie's deeply moral character and honesty in them, and therefore cannot "see" it in others. They can only project what is in themselves -- and project what their own motives would be under the same circumstances.

Response to NorthCarolina (Original post)

lapucelle

(18,040 posts)
3. I still don't have any sense that this is either an endgame or a plan.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jul 2016

It's clear that the Sanders wing has had influence concerning the platform, but I no longer have much of a sense that Sanders himself is playing a role.

Does anyone know why the chief Sanders surrogates have been largely absent from the news shows? Is it a media blackout or a choice of the campaign?

brush

(53,475 posts)
4. He lost. Why should his surrogates be on the programs?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

Ted Cruz's surrogates aren't appearing anywhere, or Kacish's, or Jeb Bush's.

The primaries are over. The general election campaign, that we are now in, is about the winners.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
16. That horse race mentality is so shallow.We are all coming together to decide our party platform
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jul 2016

Not just the primary winner. That would leave out 27 million primary voters who should have a say as to what we stand for and what our platform should be. We are not republicans so what Cruz does is irrelevant. Time to decide what we should stand for as a party...not just one person. It will keep us from supplanting the republican party as the party of wall street and the banksters.

brush

(53,475 posts)
18. So what are you saying? That Sanders and his surrogates should still be campaigning . . .
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:31 PM
Jul 2016

on the news shows?

No. We have a winner. We don't need the runner-up and his surrogates confusing voters on the news shows as if the campaign is still being waged.

He's not the first person to ever lose a campaign. God! Why is this so hard for he and his supporters to accept? He ran a good fight, he just came up short.

Work behind the scenes to get his ideas heard, while being mindful that he did lose and the winner carries more weight. It been done countless times before without all the protestations to stay in the race and graceless refusals to concede.

 

SkeleTim1968

(83 posts)
27. 27 million primary voters had a say . It was the primaries
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:08 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders didn't win the nomination. At this point he is only tearing the Democratic party apart as one does not unify by annoying the majority of party's members by staying in the race and berating the party.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
6. Would be more believable from a non-bias source.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jul 2016

As it is, it's all conjecture from someone who's supported Sanders all along.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
7. Is it worth nine minutes?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:07 PM
Jul 2016

Whether or not it's "ego," it's clear that Sanders recognizes that he'll disappear back into near-anonymity when he answers the media's only remaining question for him. Once he confirms either that he will or won't endorse Clinton, he'll vanish from the spotlight.

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
12. Because I don't care to watch a 9 minute campaign ad for the loser?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016

Puh-leeze. That's the typical "we're the only true Democrats" mindset that cost Sanders the primary.

Well, it was one of many factors.




 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
17. Wrong. He will become a strong, important member of the senate like Warren. He and her
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jul 2016

will head this political revolution. Sanders influence will last for years in spite of the MSM

Orrex

(63,086 posts)
21. Yeah, we'll see.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jul 2016

Until he decided to be a temporary Democrat, almost no one outside of political junkies and the good people of Vermont had any idea who Sanders was. Once he endorses/doesn't endorse Clinton, the media will lose interest in him. He knows this, and this is why he's being so coy about the endorsement.

Once he's lost the spotlight, he'll be a footnote. The media won't come knocking on his door, and the Democratic Party won't embrace him too warmly either.

He's already registered as an Independent for his next weakly-contested campaign in Vermont, so it's clear that he had no intention of actually being a Democrat. he knew that the media wouldn't let him anywhere near a microphone if he'd campaigned as a semi-anonymous Independent, so he made the calculated and cynical decision to switch parties.

22. Senator Sanders
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:14 AM
Jul 2016

Thank you Cenk--perfect response to snide disparaging comments regarding Senator Sanders
coming from Hillary Supporters!!! Sharing this video on Social Media.

Photos from Bernie Sanders' Fourth Of July in Vermont: http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/bernie-sanders-fourth-4th-of-july-photos-pictures-vermont-parade-bern-stillsanders-pics/3/
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
11. ROFL. I work with worms. They shit all over the place, wind up living in it, and can't
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jul 2016

understand how anyone could want anything else.

The I come here and listen to him talking about how Bernie's opponents can't escape their own mess.

I am glad my worms don't have the Internet.

kag

(4,076 posts)
15. Okay, I kind of disagree with your message, but...
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jul 2016

I love the analogy!



On edit: Now that I've read it again, I actually DO agree with your message. (Just missed some of the subtlety the first time.)


 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
13. Bernie's "endgame" has already ended
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jul 2016

Other than his love for a secret service entourage, which is costing taxpayers $40k per day.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
19. What shallow thinking. His endgame is to have the dem platform stand for what the majority
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jul 2016

of Americans claim they want according to the polls. It's having a platform that represents the democratic party and not just the DLC and their lobbyists for big money. You really don';t know Bernie and your assumptions make an ass out you cause your post is so petty and untrue. Are you even aware of the issues he stands for...or Clinton for that matter? Bernie's endgame is a political revolution which will not end since a majority of Americans stand with him...just not a majority of dems.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
24. He lost by a huge percentage
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

For some reason both he and his supporters cannot seem to grasp that.

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
25. Elizabeth Warren supports Hillary now because we need to slam Trump.....
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

...if Bernie was to take the nomination she would have sided with Bernie who is a straight shooter.

By the way when Bernie completes his campaign, he will in fact instill most of his own platform into Hillary's. She knows the young support Bernie and would be in a very embarrassing situation if she moved to the right.

If she doesn't, Bernie may run as a independent against her four years from now.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
26. This is so offensive
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jul 2016

She has never been "right" - she is a liberal. She has accomplished far more for liberals over her lifetime than Bernie, who mostly just tilts at windmills and accomplishes nothing.

And I will be very frank with you. Every single time one of his supporters makes that specious claim that is wholly unsupported by her voting record or her public work ALL YOU DO is shout that you are not very politically aware and/or simply cannot stand the thought of a having a woman president. And that is why so many have so little respect for his fans.

They sound like Johnny come latelys to the political process, and folks that have been absolutely co-opted by the right wing nuts who have spewed bullshit about her for decades.

Pauldg47

(640 posts)
28. Sorry Maggie ...it's true and there are many of us true Democrats...to bad you feel that way!!!?..
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:12 PM
Jul 2016

By the way Maggie, I said she would move to the right!

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
29. It's obejectively UNTRUE
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jul 2016

She has a very progressive voting record. Sanders and Clinton voted the same 93% of the time (except HE voted with the NRA many times, which is not progressive at all).

She has accomplished much more than he has. In fact she was more accomplished as first lady than he has been in 30 years in congress.

There is nothing about your claim that she is right wing that is supported by a shred of evidence. Nothing.

But it brings me back to the same question I have for many of his supporters - why the hell are you posting here if you hate Dems and their nominee so much? If you want to smear Clinton there are better sites for that and I am sure they would welcome you with open arms.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
30. Follow the Money
Wed Jul 6, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jul 2016

If he concedes there will be no more money coming in for the "campaign." He will lose the source.

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