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yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. Even president Obama said our elections are honest and corruption free
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 03:20 PM
Aug 2016

He said its observe to say otherwise.

George II

(67,782 posts)
4. In order for this to truly be an "effective" way to throw the election, there would have to be....
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 04:25 PM
Aug 2016

...one or two of the operatives at every polling place in the country, i.e., thousands of polling places.

And what many people, including the conspiracy theorists, refuse to recognize is that the number of votes in a precinct is matched against the number of people who showed up at the polls that day. How could one person vote "400 times" as mentioned in the video and have it go unnoticed by poll workers or the voting officials?

Finally, many precincts that use electronic voting don't even have the voter actually voting on the machine. Where I vote, I get a ballot card, I go into one of 10-12 booths and mark my card with a black marker. Then I go to the voting machine and feed the card into the machine.

No doubt there is some voter "hacking" going on in an election when more than 120 million people are voting, but I really think it's isolated and limited.

Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
6. There are a thousand ways to throw an election on electronic voting machines.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 05:59 PM
Aug 2016

Here is only one:

The voting machine provider/manufacturer, almost 100% far right-wingers, provides the memory cards used to download the totals from the machines to take to the central tabulator. It is quite possible (as shown in an impromptu experiment in HACKING AMERICA, the documentary on HBO with Bev Harris, I believe in 2006) to have an executable file on the memory card that automatically alters the results recorded on the computer. For example, every vote in column A counts as .9 while every vote in column B counts as .1. The total vote number is averaged and will come out exactly the same number of people who voted except that the result is compromised. Or the results can just be altered in any way you want, just changing the final result to whatever percentage is desired, 51% to 49% e.g. only with the wrong candidate winning. This can also be done at the level of the central tabulator of course, which means only one person needs to know or maybe it's all on the memory cards provided by the manufacturer and nobody knows but the manufacturer.

Anybody who thinks that these machines have not been rigged in the last decade or so in many elections is in need of reality therapy. Jon Simon of ELECTION DEFENSE ALLIANCE, in his book CODE RED, has analyzed some of ways that the vote can be safely altered without the slightest chance of anybody finding out. He also gives some real world examples where the result was almost certainly altered, that is, if one is to believe that statistical analyses of voting results comparing unadjusted exit polls with the supposed election results from the machines.

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. There are thousands of electronic voting machines in use. In order to throw the election...
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 06:02 PM
Aug 2016

....there would have to be hundreds if not thousands of people in on it.

Ford_Prefect

(7,875 posts)
5. The 2nd interview mentions the ability to interfere at the network level as happened in Ohio.
Sat Aug 20, 2016, 05:31 PM
Aug 2016

There are several schemes that can manipulate the vote at the machine level which don't involve touching the machine or the actions of any individual voter. Updater files typically are used to modify the way the vote is counted and reported out.

The system which connects the tabulator to the machines in the field is vulnerable as is the Tabulator system itself. all of these exploits are relatively old news and are as of this afternoon quite operable. A simple strip and flip can give the "right" candidate enough votes to win beyond the level which would automatically require a recount, but not so many as to appear suspicious.

The interviewer focused on fears that a foreign state would hack the vote.

We have well supported evidence the GOP has done it more than once in states they control such as Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida, and Michigan. That is a far more probable scenario.

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