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Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:15 AM

Pic Of The Moment: Arizona Republic Endorses Dem For President For The First Time Ever (126 Years)



Arizona Republic endorses Hillary - first Democrat they've ever endorsed for president


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Reply Pic Of The Moment: Arizona Republic Endorses Dem For President For The First Time Ever (126 Years) (Original post)
EarlG Sep 2016 OP
LakeArenal Sep 2016 #1
yuiyoshida Sep 2016 #2
niyad Sep 2016 #3
Maraya1969 Sep 2016 #4
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #5
Maraya1969 Sep 2016 #19
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #20
Maraya1969 Sep 2016 #21
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #22
Maraya1969 Sep 2016 #23
Gothmog Sep 2016 #6
DesertRat Sep 2016 #7
ffr Sep 2016 #8
ffr Sep 2016 #9
47of74 Sep 2016 #10
Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #11
SpankMe Sep 2016 #12
sweetloukillbot Sep 2016 #13
calimary Sep 2016 #16
sweetloukillbot Sep 2016 #17
Name removed Sep 2016 #14
KamaAina Sep 2016 #15
sweetloukillbot Sep 2016 #18
stonecutter357 Sep 2016 #24
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2016 #25
TonyPDX Sep 2016 #26

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:20 AM

1. "Trump responds to criticism with the petulance of verbal spit wads"

Like a grade schooler!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:21 AM

2. bravo

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:21 AM

3. did they say anything about him previously along these lines, or was their coverage the usual

fawning, uncritical adoration of so much of the msm?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:24 AM

4. He actually said he wouldn't defend NATO partners?

That would be grounds for impeachment before he ever got in I would think.

EDIT: I found it. And I still think this is somehow unconstitutional but maybe I am wrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/donald-trump-issues.html

EDIT: I fixed the A to and O

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 11:57 AM

5. "NATA"? Are you 2 letters off in a 4 letter word? Thinking of NATO? He contradicted himself in 1 min

Inside the space of one minute he contradicted himself about honoring treaties and breaking treaties.

Any President can be impeached by the House for no reason at all.

All impeachment means is being "charged". This triggers a "trial" in the Senate.

A President-Elect can't be impeached before being sworn in, and especially not before being elected by the Electoral College.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:41 PM

19. OK I know I mispelled a 4 letter word but I do understand that he cannot be impeached now

And I do understand that impeachment is not a final judgement.


Is "removed from office" the correct way to say it?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:43 PM

20. Can't be removed from office until he is in it. In the unlikely event, earliest is Inauguration 2017

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:38 PM

21. :FacePalm: It's me. I do not explain myself correctly because I am in a hurry

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:44 PM

22. If you mean to ask can he be PREVENTED from taking office after the election, only the

If you mean to ask can he be prevented from taking office after the election (in the unlikely event of his election), only the Electoral College can prevent that, and it would be as close to any Constitutional crisis as we've ever had if they tried. In any case, the Electoral College votes in December and Inauguration is mid-January, so not much time to resolve it, should it need resolving.

The easiest and best course is to prevent Trump from being elected by having a massive vote for Hillary and Democrats and against Trump and GOP.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #22)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 12:16 AM

23. What I meant is, What is the word for when a president is successfully impeached

and has to leave office? Nixon quit but was he forced to quit and what would have happened if he didn't quit?

I don't know any presidents that have been impeached and convicted, (or whatever you call it?)

I know I talked all over the place.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 12:01 PM

6. K&R

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 12:08 PM

7. k&r

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 12:09 PM

8. A beaming read about HRC almost without exception.

I get the impression they really don't like the Donald or his message.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 12:11 PM

9. Or more specifically, they're with her

They make it clear that she is the superior choice.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 12:26 PM

10. The polite way of saving...

....Orange Hitler is a fucking whack job who isn't worthy to scrape shit off your toilets.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 01:40 PM

11. It says something when an organization endorses when they normally do not.

What you get with Trump is nothing under control, who knows what he will do or say, I like the predictable Hillary.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 02:41 PM

12. "...he hangs scapegoats like piñatas and invites people to take a swing..." Excellent!

Holy crap! I've been reading the Az Republic for years. They've done a good job of keeping a firewall between the hard news and their editorial policies. They are conservative, and I only agree with their editorials about 20% of the time. But, they are old school conservatives in that they are socially pragmatic while being economically conservative.

To me, this is a big defection. It's a pretty good read and looks like an endorsement from a more progressive paper. They hardly mention her flaws, but they give a laundry list of Trump's flaws.

This will probably not put Az in play for Hillary. But in the final analysis, Az will be a deep purple and not bright red this time around.

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Response to SpankMe (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 03:06 PM

13. The editorial board has become more liberal in recent years...

But the head of the editorial desk is Joe Arpaio's son-in-law, so that should tell you where their sympathies lie. This endorsement is, in Joe Biden's words, a big fucking deal, unfortunately it's probably not going to sway many.

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Response to sweetloukillbot (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:02 PM

16. I did notice, though, that along the right-hand column a headline that said they preferred

Arpaio's opponent during the AZ primary a month ago. He won that one but his opponent in the general is evidently seen as a bigger challenge.

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/07/31/dan-saban-endorsement/87683836/


Results (from 8/30/16):

An independent poll in Arizona has Democratic challenger Paul Penzone up 3 percentage points on Arpaio. When undecided voters were asked to choose one of the two, they overwhelmingly sided with Penzone.

“It appears that the ‘toughest sheriff’ in America, Joe Arpaio, is in the toughest race of his career,” said Nathan Sproul, managing director of Lincoln Strategy Group, in a message accompanying the July 22 poll results.

“The voters may be saying it’s finally time for a change. He still has plenty of time to right the ship, but needs to define Penzone quickly or it may be too late.”


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-arizona-arpaio-election-20160830-snap-story.html

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Response to calimary (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:11 PM

17. They keep a firewall up when covering Joe

Phil Boas, the editor in question, does not participate in any discussions or editorials about Arpaio. They've actually declined to endorse him the past two elections. But Boas' politics certainly align with Arpaio's, and there is a public perception that his relationship colors their coverage. My favorite endorsement, when I was still a writer at the paper, was for Joe Lieberman in the 2004 primaries. They endorsed him because he was the most like a Republican. I think it was the only endorsement Lieberman got, and he trumpeted it everywhere!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:45 PM

15. The Arizona Republic is a Quayle family newspaper

 

hence the classic Quayleism "I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix.".

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:12 PM

18. Not anymore - it's been Gannett for about 15 years

But it was Quayle owned before that.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 06:25 AM

24. K&R!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 10:34 AM

25. And now they're getting death threats because of it.

Typical knuckle dragging Trump supporters.

Rachel Maddow did a thing on newspaper endorsements last night. Trump has yet to receive any.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu Sep 29, 2016, 10:41 AM

26. Sheriff Joe Arpaio must be in a tizzy over this.

Even Arizona acknowledges how awful Prima Donald actually is.

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