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the Weird Liberal

(124 posts)
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 01:06 PM Jul 2012

More on Syria/Aurora: Stop the Slaughter


PLEASE READ THIS TO KNOW WHERE I'M COMING FROM: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/07/aurora-shootings-grab-headlines-abroad.html
We care WAY more about a horrific shooting in Colorado than a bloodbath in Syria.
It's just a fact, and it's shameful.
I don't say what I say to be popular, I say what I say because it's right and I live in the real world, not some fantasy land where all wars are bad and all people are basically good and peaceful except for the USA and a few bad apples in other nations like Israel.
Check out these links maybe: IS YOU LEARNING?-
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/20/politics/gun-politics/index.html
http://freerice.com
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18862131
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Iggo

(47,552 posts)
4. I been watching you do this for a couple days now.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jul 2012

I'm talking about you cramming your boot into a fresh wound to try to shock and guilt people into paying attention to your pet issue. Both Syria and Aurora are unmitigated tragedies. Your continued assertions that one is worse minimizes the other. It's ugly. And I wish you would stop it.

Mosby

(16,305 posts)
3. I stopped watching after you said that Gore lost due to his support for gun control.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:05 PM
Jul 2012

PS - calling people stupid is a really lousy way to be persuasive.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
5. What is shameful is your lack of understanding on the trauma people are going through
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:12 PM
Jul 2012

Twelve people are dead, dozens more wounded and you call people shameful for talking about it too much. Don't use the deaths of people to push for war, the people who died may not want your war and I am sure their families don't want you using their name to sell it.

Your attempts to use this tragedy for your own ends is shameful and don't give me your crap about how you just want to help the Syrian people, you are not doing jack shit for the people of Syria and you sure as hell are not doing anything to help the people of Colorado by calling them "shameful" for mourning their own tragedy rather than the tragedy you would rather see them mourning.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
6. Why do you continue to compare a recent mass murder in USA with Syria?
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 03:15 PM
Jul 2012

How about instead posting stuff going on in Syria rather than saying "shame"? Are you really incapable of looking at 2 things at the same time?

I thought you said yesterday that you'd enlist if a recruiter asked you. I asked you. Did you enlist? Or is it simpler to simply be a keyboard warrior, chastising people who are not totally immersed in what *you* think they should be?

Douglas Carpenter

(20,226 posts)
7. again, I'm going to post an article I posted earlier: -
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 04:48 PM
Jul 2012

Please - some of us know something about the Middle East - Some of us have lived in the Middle East - in my case for almost half my life. I'm sure you are a really, really nice kid. I have seen many of your other videos. But especially when it comes to the Middle East -things are more complicated then you think.

Liberals arguing that the U.S. should give weapons to Syrian rebels underestimate Assad's power

I strongly recommend reading this article in full on salon.com by Gary Kamiya:

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/13/dont_arm_syrias_rebels/singleton/

snips:

This is not a knee-jerk left-wing response. It has nothing to do with Iraq. Nor does it have anything to do with the proxy war between the U.S. and its allies and Iran and its allies. It is not driven by pacifism or opposition to all war. All U.S. wars are not axiomatically foolish, evil or driven by brutal self-interest (although most of them since World War II have been). The airstrikes on Kosovo and the Libya campaign were justified (although the jury is still out on the latter intervention). If arming the Syrian opposition would result in fewer deaths and a faster transition to a peaceful, open, democratic society, we should arm them.

That analysis has been provided by a number of in-depth reports, most notably a new study by the International Crisis Group, as well as the excellent on-the-ground reporting of Nir Rosen for Al-Jazeera. The bottom line is simple. The war has become a zero-sum game for Assad. If he loses, he dies. But the only way he can lose is if he is abandoned by his crucial external patron, Russia, which is extremely unlikely to happen absent some slaughter so egregious that Moscow feels it has to cut ties with him. Assad has sufficient domestic support to hold on for a long time, and a huge army that is not likely to defect en masse. Under these circumstances, giving arms to the rebels, however much it may make conscience-stricken Western observers feel better, will simply make the civil war much bloodier and its outcome even more chaotic and dangerous.

The key point concerns Assad’s domestic support. Contrary to the widely held belief that most Syrians support the opposition and are opposed to the Assad regime, Syrians are in fact deeply divided. The country’s minorities – the ruling Alawites, Christians and Druze – tend to support the regime, if only because they fear what will follow its downfall. (The grocery on my corner in San Francisco is owned by a Christian Syrian from a village outside Damascus. When I asked him what he thought about what was going on in his country, he said, “It’s not like what you see on TV. Assad is a nice guy. He’s trying to do the right thing.”) As Rosen makes clear, Syria’s ruling Alawite minority is the key to Assad’s survival: Absent an outside invasion, the regime will not fall unless the Alawites turn on it. But the Alawites fear reprisals if the Sunni-dominated opposition, some of whose members have threatened to “exterminate the Alawites,” defeats the Assad regime. The fear of a sectarian war, exacerbated by the murky and incoherent nature of the opposition, means that the minorities are unlikely to join the opposition in large numbers.

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Our national instinct is to come riding to the rescue. It goes against our character to simply sit on our hands. Our sincere, naive and self-centered belief that America can fix everything, and our equally sincere, naive and self-centered belief that moral outrage justifies intervention, is a powerful tide, pulling us toward getting directly involved in Syria’s civil war.

But in the real world, we cannot always come riding to the rescue. Sometimes, we have no choice but to watch tragedy unfold, because anything we do will create an even bigger tragedy.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/13/dont_arm_syrias_rebels/singleton/

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
8. Keep banging those war drums.
Sat Jul 21, 2012, 11:50 PM
Jul 2012

Let me know what your APO is so I can send you a care package.

Edit: Make sure your happy ass is on the front lines.

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