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turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:43 PM May 2017

Human Beings with Pre-Existing Conditions , "Don't Live Right"






Mo Brooks and his contact numbers if you so desire!!!!!

What a hypocrite and he keeps getting re-elected------------why?

2400 Rayburn HOB
Washington, DC 20515
Phone: (202) 225-4801


302 Lee Street
Room 86
Decatur, AL 35601
Phone: (256) 355-9400
Fax: (256) 355-9406


2101 W. Clinton Avenue
Suite 302
Huntsville, AL 35805
Phone: (256) 551-0190
Fax: (256) 551-0194


102 South Court Street
Suite 310
Florence, AL 35630
Phone: (256) 718-5155
Fax: (256) 718-5156


And ask his staff if a child born with diabetes------"Don't live right"

Or how about someone getting injured in war or a sport---------"Don't Live right"
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Human Beings with Pre-Existing Conditions , "Don't Live Right" (Original Post) turbinetree May 2017 OP
People with no empathy and compassion 'don't live right'. 'Nuff said. Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #1
+1000 dchill May 2017 #5
That is the perfect response. PA Democrat May 2017 #17
Talk about the dissonance exboyfil May 2017 #2
Heard This S**T And... LovingA2andMI May 2017 #3
what an asshat chillfactor May 2017 #4
I don't think there's an insurance code... 3catwoman3 May 2017 #7
I've never heard of anyone being born with diabetes. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #6
Uh, I've personally known 2 people who have died Sculpin Beauregard May 2017 #8
Type 1 deiabetes is an auto-immune disorder. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #20
Then you've never heard of Type I diabetes.g hedda_foil May 2017 #9
Please read my post 20 above. Also post 12 below. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #21
Not all people with type II diabetes have an unhealthy lifestyle trixie2 May 2017 #12
You are right. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2017 #22
Me too trixie2 May 2017 #24
Ok, let's see if I have this right trixie2 May 2017 #10
birth defects, a born with pre existing condition. And sometimes surgery is required demigoddess May 2017 #11
I hate the term "pre-existing conditions". mwooldri May 2017 #14
It was an extremely flexible concept used solely for the benefit of insurance companies ck4829 May 2017 #19
Jimmy Kimmel's monologue tonight is about his newborn's heart defects LastLiberal in PalmSprings May 2017 #15
I've seen this before! SCVDem May 2017 #13
Hey Mo, why don't you start your sanctimonious lecture with your boy Trump. PA Democrat May 2017 #16
Let me humbly suggest stevepal May 2017 #18
Looks like Mo is not taking calls. 2:25 p.m. on Tuesday afternoon and PA Democrat May 2017 #23
I have been lucky duncang May 2017 #25
Carefully crafted Prosperity Gospel get the red out May 2017 #26
If you have a Republican Congress person do not waste your time on this POS. gordianot May 2017 #27
Mo Brooks is an idiot Gothmog May 2017 #28

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
2. Talk about the dissonance
Mon May 1, 2017, 11:52 PM
May 2017

These folks just worked to roll back Michelle Obama's healthy eating initiative. These are the same folks that fought tooth and nail to stop any sort of restrictions or financial liability for smoking.

chillfactor

(7,574 posts)
4. what an asshat
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:03 AM
May 2017

too bad he or his family members don't have a pre-existing condition. God these recons are STUPID!!!!

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
7. I don't think there's an insurance code...
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:31 AM
May 2017

...for it, but STUPID does seem to be a pre-existing condition for getting elected to a Republican seat in government.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
6. I've never heard of anyone being born with diabetes.
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:24 AM
May 2017

I'll admit I can be pretty judgmental about people who do things like smoke, eat a genuinely crappy diet, ignore warning signs of something, but I never for one minute think they should be deprived of health care or treatment for those conditions.

Sculpin Beauregard

(1,046 posts)
8. Uh, I've personally known 2 people who have died
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:47 AM
May 2017

from type 1 (born with) diabetes. You're thinking of type 2 diabetes, which can be related to diet and weight, and can show up later in life.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
20. Type 1 deiabetes is an auto-immune disorder.
Tue May 2, 2017, 10:44 AM
May 2017

I've never heard of a brand-new infant being diagnosed with it.

At some point in life there's a trigger and the diabetes suddenly manifests itself, often somewhat early in life which is why it used to be called Juvenile Diabetes. But it's simply not correct to say you're born with it. It's probably accurate to say that you're born with a pre-disposition, and no one understands what suddenly causes the diabetes, or any other auto-immune disease, to manifest itself. And so far as I know, there is no test ahead of time to determine if a person will get diabetes or any other auto-immune disorder.

And yes I know the difference between the two types as I have family members with type 2, and have known people with type 1. Apparently type 1 is diagnosed in adulthood far more often than people realize.

I know about about auto-immune disorders as my two sons have one, alopecia areata. There's also lupus, scleroderma (a son's classmate died from that at age 32 not very long ago), Graves' disease, rheumatoid arthritis, and several others.

But it's still inaccurate to say you're born with type 1 diabetes.

hedda_foil

(16,372 posts)
9. Then you've never heard of Type I diabetes.g
Tue May 2, 2017, 12:55 AM
May 2017

Your lack of knowledge betrays you as very young or very libertarian. If it's the first, DU may help you grow out of it. If it's the latter, it may be congenital and you risk ending up with the deadly disease of Republicanism.

Want to try again?

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
21. Please read my post 20 above. Also post 12 below.
Tue May 2, 2017, 10:45 AM
May 2017

I'm the last thing from a Libertarian, and I'm an extremely youthful 68.

trixie2

(905 posts)
12. Not all people with type II diabetes have an unhealthy lifestyle
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:16 AM
May 2017

After a single blood test, once, and not again, I was diagnosed with type II diabetes. I am not overweight, I never eat fast food, I don't consume high fructose corn syrup, I don't drink pop or coffee and don't like sweets. I eat organic, high protein, very little bread, eat home grown fruits and veggies and drink water.

I now have a pre-existing condition.

My brother had a heart attack from genetics and the doctors had no advice for him for all his levels were in the perfect range. He now has a pre-existing condition.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,848 posts)
22. You are right.
Tue May 2, 2017, 10:47 AM
May 2017

And it's also possible for someone with a type 2 diabetes diagnosis to change around things and no longer have it. My sister did that several years ago, and now does not have the diabetes, but her medical chart says "a history of diabetes."

trixie2

(905 posts)
24. Me too
Wed May 3, 2017, 03:35 AM
May 2017

One high sugar blood test and within 3 months was back to normal and now I too have "a history of diabetes". Sucks.

My sister is an RN and just brought up the fact that there could have been a mistake in the lab. GREAT!

trixie2

(905 posts)
10. Ok, let's see if I have this right
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:09 AM
May 2017

If you find out you have a fetus to be born with a difference - let's say dwarfism. They don't want you to have a choice and prior to the Affordable Care Act they could not get insurance. These children need countless surgeries just to maintain a less pained existence. We could insert any type of difference such as spina bifida and even inherited abnormalities. Since we can now test for future problems such as cancer, alzheimer's etc will that now become a pre-existing condition?

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
11. birth defects, a born with pre existing condition. And sometimes surgery is required
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:12 AM
May 2017

to correct some things such as hernias.

oh, I forgot, to a republican birth defects only happen if you 'do something' to make it happen.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
14. I hate the term "pre-existing conditions".
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:06 AM
May 2017

Given that both my boys have "pre-existing conditions" (eldest: exstrophy of the bladder - youngest: autism spectrum) I would argue that life itself is a "pre-existing condition". Pre-ACA, I don't think either of my boys would have been able to get health insurance on the individual market. Admittedly, their "worst case scenario" is a British passport and a move to the UK, so they can always get healthcare if needed. "Pre-existing condition" was a foreign phrase to me, basically because the NHS treated anyone and everyone, albeit with a waiting list.

I'm not a Republican, nor a Conservative. I wish I knew what 'I did' to give my boys these 'birth defects'. All I know is I'm giving my boys a Liberal Democratic upbringing, with a decent dose of constitutional monarchy on the side (i.e. British Americans).

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
19. It was an extremely flexible concept used solely for the benefit of insurance companies
Tue May 2, 2017, 08:03 AM
May 2017
Insurers have moved the goalpost on what a pre-existing condition is, sometimes into ludicrous territory, such as making acne, surviving domestic abuse, bunions, or the intention to adopt as pre-existing conditions. There is also a report on a newborn baby being marked with having a "pre-existing condition."

http://rw-infopedia.pbworks.com/w/page/117427014/Support%20for%20Pre-Existing%20Conditions
15. Jimmy Kimmel's monologue tonight is about his newborn's heart defects
Tue May 2, 2017, 02:36 AM
May 2017

and the extraordinary process that happened to restore him to health (yay!).

In addition to giving credit to the medical staffs of Cedars Sinai and Children's Hospital of L.A., he talked about how it used to be that being born with a heart defect was considered a "pre-existing condition" and that the political parties have got to get together to ensure people are provided with medical coverage.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
13. I've seen this before!
Tue May 2, 2017, 01:48 AM
May 2017

Something about creating a Master Race.

Any defects, including not being white will not be acceptable.

How did that work out?

PA Democrat

(13,225 posts)
16. Hey Mo, why don't you start your sanctimonious lecture with your boy Trump.
Tue May 2, 2017, 06:01 AM
May 2017

He isn't exactly a shining example of how to "live right" is he?

 

stevepal

(109 posts)
18. Let me humbly suggest
Tue May 2, 2017, 06:59 AM
May 2017

in answer to this question:

"What a hypocrite and he keeps getting re-elected------------why?"

that people might want to start considering THE VOTING MACHINES which are trivially easy to maliciously program or rig or hack in a thousand ways, none of which can be detected because

THERE IS NO REQUIREMENT THAT THE VOTE BE VERIFIED.

Thank you. Over and out.

duncang

(1,907 posts)
25. I have been lucky
Wed May 3, 2017, 05:57 AM
May 2017

For the last 30+ years I had worked for a large company and after retiring kept my insurance through the retirement plan.

But I remember back to the days I worked in the industrial/marine/offshore construction. During that time most of the companies I worked for would have massive hiring for major projects. Followed by massive lay offs after the job was over. When you moved from job to job you would lose your insurance. Then when hiring on with the next company you would have a waiting period to get coverage again. Over those years we had 4 kids one died soon after birth. But only one was actually covered by insurance. The rest were deemed as pre-existing conditions. Around here at that time things were booming. Several times I would leave one job and the next day go to the next one. When laying off the companies would keep it quiet then lay off a group of employees. Next week it may be one or 2 more. You never really knew when it was your turn.

COBRA was a option but it wasn't a good option because of the randomness of working not working from day to day. Also some companies would have a small base group of employees and not even have it.

Those massive jobs need people who are willing to live that life style. A lot of other projects like on building construction it is the same thing. Some companies need a floating size employee group.

The only answer to is a single payer system. Anything else just screws around a lot of people.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
26. Carefully crafted Prosperity Gospel
Wed May 3, 2017, 06:19 AM
May 2017

Has been to prepare common (white) people to fully accept this line of thinking, as well as their own fate should they suffer. I believe minorities have enough suspicion (as they should) of the motives of "white people" Christianity to know these arguments are inhumane BS. I know a lot of people would argue that religion has no connection to healthcare, but I am a bit of a tinfoil hatter where the religion of so many of my fellow Caucasians is concerned.

This is off topic, but if a minority person describes themselves as Christian, I don't bat an eye, if a white person describes themselves as Christian I think, Oh SHIT! And observe them to see if they hate whole groups of people or not, but that's just me.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
27. If you have a Republican Congress person do not waste your time on this POS.
Wed May 3, 2017, 06:20 AM
May 2017

Your Republican Congress person may not have said something as stupid but in their core they are no different. It may be futile but they need to be constantly confronted until replaced.

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