Howard Stern Talks Hillary Clinton's Loss & Stephen Colbert Controversy - 05/03/2017

[ProfessorPlum]

Thought this was an interesting discussion - I would have loved to heard that interview with Clinton.

[underpants]

1. Stern

Markingbto watch later

[LiberalLovinLug]

2. I think he raises a good point

I disagree with his down-playing of the Russian influence and Comey's influence, but that Hillary has to take more responsibility for the loss as well I do agree with. Even refusing to appear on the Howard Stern show for instance. Stern was a big Clinton supporter and would have been a kind of bridge to the mostly white male audience. Her campaign was so careful not to think outside of the box.

I don't know, maybe it just wasn't her personality to be more open and gregarious. That's a big problem with electing leaders. They have to check every box, including the "I'd like to sit down and have a beer with them" box. But even if Hillary wasn't as naturally gifted in that manner as her husband for instance, she might have put on more of a brave face and entered these dens of iniquity. Show she can hang with guys like Stern. She is very smart and witty and would no doubt have won over a few more just for even going on his show. Like Howard said, it wasn't even so much she didnt come on his show specifically, it was the attitude that she didn't have to, so why bother.

It always seemed like campaigning was an agonizing chore for Hillary and sticking to their carefully planned moderate script would just be enough to win. I don't blame her, that is who she is, she is more of a policy hack, more about crafting great legislation than being a spokesperson. While someone like Trump absolutely LOVED campaigning, talking to crowds etc...So there is a natural reaction in people, especially those that don't have a clear preference, when they have a choice between someone that looks like they love communicating with people and someone that looks pained to do it.

[ProfessorPlum]

3. I agree with everything you wrote

I feel that this is a bit too much blaming the victim here, especially with regard to Comey and Russia - she certainly has legitimate claims to real damage done there - but I would have dearly loved to see her go on his show (for instance) and do a really interesting, humanizing interview.

[Liberal In Red State]

4. Did nobody hear HRC say "I made plenty of mistakes" !!!!!!!! She was pointing out that in

addition to the normal rough and tumble of a campaign she had to deal with Comey's crap, Russian interference and Julian Assange. While agree I think the campaign was over confident - she clearly stated SHE MADE MISTAKES!

[maddiemom]

5. I have to agree with you, especially your last paragraph.

AND it's truly a shame, BUT...I wouldn't say that Trump looks like he enjoys "communicating" with people. This implies a back and forth empathy. Trump loves the rally -like adulation and only communicates well with those who flatter him (wonderful communication with Tim Dickerson). Hillary has always done well in more individual communication,even though her every word may be picked apart by observers. We've lost a lot of great potential leaders because they weren't "crowd pleasers," regardless of their qualifications and, yes, even having their hearts in the right places for most of us. Yes, Trump LOVES campaigning so much that he may never stop to seriously run the country (as if he could). Comparing him to the dangerous historical rabble rousers seems to be frowned upon, but his problems with the Constitution and obvious ignorance about the balance of powers has began to get so scary that Pence even seems more feasible: as long as the "resistance" doesn't stop with putting Trump out of the picture.

[ProfessorPlum]

6. This is so true

Unfortunately. Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, Clinton. ...

If only we were better at selling soap ( i e the great ideas for governing that we have), versus the GOP, which is serving up shot sandwiches and calling it ice cream