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sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 03:52 PM Oct 2017

Elon Musk thinks we are most likely living in a Simulated Reality

"there is only a one in a billion chance that we are living in the "base reality". He postulates that virtual reality will become so realistic that we will soon be unable to distinguish it from the real thing. And, the Simulated Reality will continue making another Simulated Reality and so on...



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Elon Musk thinks we are most likely living in a Simulated Reality (Original Post) sagesnow Oct 2017 OP
I love pseudo-scientists who put an exact figure to the odds on something they have absolutely Nitram Oct 2017 #1
I think that the odds are 50/50 that you are right about Elon Musk..... virtualobserver Oct 2017 #3
More like gazillion-to-one odds... Elon is a genius, but, WAYYY off base here. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2017 #5
Elon Musk is far from the only person who believes in the Holographic Universe. sagesnow Oct 2017 #16
Whether or not you "believe" in it, there is no basis upon which to establish the odds Nitram Oct 2017 #21
Belief that we are experiencing a simulated reality is the same as believing that God created Nitram Oct 2017 #22
Infinity Me. Oct 2017 #2
Okay, Russians. Get out of my mind! Gees, this is so out there. I'm getting off line now. The Wielding Truth Oct 2017 #4
And people are counting on this guy to get them to Mars??? Loyd Oct 2017 #6
This is all just a simulation? PJMcK Oct 2017 #7
You ( and your friends) may have chose to enter this mutuall sagesnow Oct 2017 #14
You dreamed up this version. sagesnow Oct 2017 #17
Shitty movie, actually PJMcK Oct 2017 #18
IMHO, Inception was a complex and interesting movie. sagesnow Oct 2017 #19
Probably not. LunaSea Oct 2017 #8
smart people often believe dumb things paulkienitz Oct 2017 #9
I had a PhD of Philosophy instructor... yallerdawg Oct 2017 #10
there's a lot we can't disprove paulkienitz Oct 2017 #12
Yep. Thinking about things is highly overrated. yallerdawg Oct 2017 #15
"It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between WinkyDink Oct 2017 #11
I'll have to show this to my girlfriend sometime. sandensea Oct 2017 #13
Ummm, no. paleotn Oct 2017 #20
And the kid who's playing this version of the Sims is a real dick. tclambert Oct 2017 #23

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
1. I love pseudo-scientists who put an exact figure to the odds on something they have absolutely
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 04:03 PM
Oct 2017

no way of knowing. The guy may be smart, but he obviously has his limitations. The odds are a trillion to one that Elon Musk is right about this.

 

virtualobserver

(8,760 posts)
3. I think that the odds are 50/50 that you are right about Elon Musk.....
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 04:10 PM
Oct 2017

My belief though, is that any simulation as complex as this one would have to be would be pointless.

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
16. Elon Musk is far from the only person who believes in the Holographic Universe.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 08:48 PM
Oct 2017

Here's another video with a good overview of Quantum science behind this hypothesis:

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
21. Whether or not you "believe" in it, there is no basis upon which to establish the odds
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:51 AM
Oct 2017

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of its existence.

Nitram

(22,765 posts)
22. Belief that we are experiencing a simulated reality is the same as believing that God created
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:56 AM
Oct 2017

this universe. Can't be proved, can't be disproved. Just a belief.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
2. Infinity
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 04:05 PM
Oct 2017

..........................................................................................................................................

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
7. This is all just a simulation?
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 05:29 PM
Oct 2017

With everything wrong in our world, I have only one question:

What idiot dreamed up this version?

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
14. You ( and your friends) may have chose to enter this mutuall
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 07:48 PM
Oct 2017

mutually shared simulated experience in order to learn and evolve. According to this Biologist and Physicist:

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
17. You dreamed up this version.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 09:12 PM
Oct 2017

"You create and perceive the world simultaneously. Your mind does this so well you are not even aware of it." Dom Cobb in the movie Inception.

PJMcK

(21,998 posts)
18. Shitty movie, actually
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 09:14 PM
Oct 2017

After all, the ending is basically, "and then I woke up."

Great special effects, though.

sagesnow

(2,824 posts)
19. IMHO, Inception was a complex and interesting movie.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 09:37 PM
Oct 2017

If I recall, Dom was trying to get an idea into a wealthy businessman's subconscious to get him to sell or dismember his father's company. I had to do some research on the web to understand it all:
http://www.thisisbarry.com/single-post/2015/09/15/Inception-2010-Explained

LunaSea

(2,892 posts)
8. Probably not.
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 06:42 PM
Oct 2017

But now researchers say they've sussed out the whole situation for us. Theoretical physicists Zohar Ringel and Dmitry Korvizhini, who are based at Racah Institute of Physics Hebrew University in Israel and Oxford University in the United Kingdom, claim to prove the concreteness of our reality in a recent Scientific Advances study.
To understand what they found, it helps to first recognize what a computer is: it's essentially a machine that performs calculations. In order for a computer to simulate reality, then, the machine would need to have enough power to actually create the phenomena that we experience within its simulated environment. What the researchers discovered, however, is that storing the information required to simulate certain behaviors of even a couple hundred electrons would take more atoms than exist in the universe. For better or for worse, this world is real. Probably.

https://www.popsci.com/quantum-hall-computer-simulation

"Physicists have pointed out that quantum physics makes this incredibly unlikely, given electrons and atoms aren't tiny balls whizzing predictably through space."

https://www.sciencealert.com/quantum-complexity-rules-out-our-universe-as-a-computer-simulation

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
9. smart people often believe dumb things
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 06:47 PM
Oct 2017

because they can out-argue people who might talk sense into them, so their dumber ideas don't get checked.

That said, I think Musk is more on the ball than, say, Mark Zuckerberg about what we have to watch out for with the development of AI.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
10. I had a PhD of Philosophy instructor...
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 06:50 PM
Oct 2017

point out that what each of us sees as reality could be "merely the dreams of giant yellow slugs swimming in the seas of Jupiter."

He then went on and taught us how we could not disprove this.

You need drugs?

paulkienitz

(1,296 posts)
12. there's a lot we can't disprove
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 07:34 PM
Oct 2017

For instance, if I were a member of a cult which taught that people like me have genuine subjective consciousness and feelings, but people like you just act out similar behaviors without being conscious of them, you would have no way to disprove it. There's a long list of philosophical positions such as that which are utter crap but not disprovable.

 

WinkyDink

(51,311 posts)
11. "It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between
Mon Oct 23, 2017, 07:25 PM
Oct 2017

light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone."

paleotn

(17,884 posts)
20. Ummm, no.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 07:33 AM
Oct 2017

Elon.....please go have a chat with Occam about his razor. He will clue you in to the law or parsimony.

I hope he's not going all Howard Hughs on us.

tclambert

(11,084 posts)
23. And the kid who's playing this version of the Sims is a real dick.
Tue Oct 24, 2017, 08:30 AM
Oct 2017

That explains how this universe got so screwed up that Donald Trump could golf his way into the White House.

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