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Senators Warren and Sanders break down the Tax plan. (Original Post) Stellar Nov 2017 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Nov 2017 #1
Came over to post that thought myself. efhmc Nov 2017 #11
It's not tax "reform", you two! It's a tax **heist**. Rob the middle to pay the top. Bigtime. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2017 #2
Pay attention folks LittleGirl Nov 2017 #3
Pay Attention!? Wwcd Nov 2017 #5
Well stating Clinton Rigged it SirBrockington Nov 2017 #7
I misunderstood your subject line on first reading, SirBrockington Hekate Nov 2017 #15
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #8
Unworthy? SirBrockington Nov 2017 #12
Did you just call Hillary Clinton unworthy? ismnotwasm Nov 2017 #13
If I had a nickle LittleGirl Nov 2017 #17
She didn't fail. America failed her. Wwcd Nov 2017 #23
If I had a nickel lapucelle Nov 2017 #25
LOL SunSeeker Nov 2017 #27
Ever hear of Putin? Are you aware of what took place in 2016? Wwcd Nov 2017 #14
Of course LittleGirl Nov 2017 #19
If this is not news your statement is what then? Wwcd Nov 2017 #20
Who failed? GaryCnf Nov 2017 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Wwcd Nov 2017 #4
If nobody sees this SirBrockington Nov 2017 #6
Who owns those MSM's? Who drives their daily headlines? Wwcd Nov 2017 #18
I wouldnt think itd be too hard to get on various SirBrockington Nov 2017 #28
excellent mopinko Nov 2017 #9
Sanders Warren 2020! Catch2.2 Nov 2017 #10
Post removed Post removed Nov 2017 #16
I'm In 'AGONY" Me. Nov 2017 #21
Sorry ME..that's all the humor I got left! Wwcd Nov 2017 #22
I've Often Wondered Me. Nov 2017 #24
Right there with you!! They would make a great team... InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2017 #26
Love them both. Thank you for posting. zentrum Nov 2017 #30
Per Senator Warren... Stellar Nov 2017 #31
Wish she'd run in '16. zentrum Nov 2017 #32
Just like GD in here JonLP24 Nov 2017 #33

Response to Stellar (Original post)

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
5. Pay Attention!?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:43 PM
Nov 2017

All I see anymore are opportunists feeding off the craphole we allowed our country to be tossed into because of lack of attention last time around.

Sorry. These 2 aren't going to change a thing with Trump taxes.
They had the chance to prevent it & failed.

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
7. Well stating Clinton Rigged it
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:53 PM
Nov 2017

Certainty wasn’t long term thinking strategically. Long term thinking is getting as many democrats as possible in the courts and in congress. A moderate Democrat is 100s better than any republican. The only somewhat fair minded republican in the entire congress seems to be McCain. And that’s saying something. It’s good to talk about these things, but the reality is there needs to be majorities to create and implement the agenda. Any comments at other times that can turn off others to the party is contrary to having any moderate or progressive goals enacted. A moderate republican does not exist. The only reason health care wasn’t eliminated already is because a few republicans (Rand Paul) essentially thought it wasn’t harsh enough of all things.

Hekate

(90,202 posts)
15. I misunderstood your subject line on first reading, SirBrockington
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:50 PM
Nov 2017

Then read the whole and agree with you. I'll have to get that trick knee checked.

Response to Wwcd (Reply #5)

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
12. Unworthy?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 10:24 PM
Nov 2017

Hmm. Just gonna slip something like that in there eh

Well I think the original sin/stupidity by the DNC was allowing someone who’s never been a member of the organization run for the highest position of the organization.

The whole point was that they looked at how the 2012 republican Primary ended up damaging all of the front runners in the general, while Obama, on the other hand, didn’t have a primary battle or attacks from the left. It was unified support. Since he could not run again obviously, it was decided to try and unify ahead of time and avoid infighting or damage from within.

They thought that it would make sense to limit the damage from a primary battle for the front runner. Since Clinton was far and away that person, most other ambitious Democrats didn’t run for that very reason in 16; in order to limit any damage to the standard bearer and avoid the cannabilsm and infighting of the 2012 Republican Primary. Well it didn’t play out like that.

LittleGirl

(8,261 posts)
17. If I had a nickle
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:58 PM
Nov 2017

For every time someone said they hated her, refused to vote for hers, etc...I would not be angry every day that #45 is so totally inept. She failed to deliver our only hopes against this mad man.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
23. She didn't fail. America failed her.
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:59 AM
Nov 2017

Cut their noses right off just to spite their faces.

So why all the complaining about the results now?

I don't get it.

She tried, America failed.

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
14. Ever hear of Putin? Are you aware of what took place in 2016?
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 11:40 PM
Nov 2017

How bout Cambridge Analytica, Kushner, Assange, Wikileaks, Flynn Sr & Jr., the Trump family?

How about Paul Manafort & his friend from back in the Ukraine, Tad Devine?

We had an outstanding candidate with probably the most progressive platform this country has seen for a long time. Pathetic pity that people listened to Putin's organized criminal takeover of the US gov't, rather than bother to find out what they were voting away.

When the truth comes out as to Tad Devine's actual purpose in election 2016, I'll be sure to post it here for all to know.

Those who chose to follow Putin's social media bombshells are free to do so. Shiny objects are sure pretty., I'll stick with the only person who even bothered to write & present a policy platform that included the well being of the whole of American society.

And I'll stick with the only person who'll stand there, afte the dust has cleared from Mueller's masterful draining of the entire swamp, the only person from 2016 who was never indicted for colluding with a foreign adversary to overthrow the US govt.

The Democratic Party & its strongest fighters for human rights & fairness will be the only one left standing.


Tad Devine & Paul Manafort
Thanks



 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
20. If this is not news your statement is what then?
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:04 AM
Nov 2017
I see that the DNC offered a candidate that was unworthy of the position and LOST.

I seriously can't believe you said that after all we now know.


Were you referring to Sanders or Clinton.
One ran for the sake of the country, one ran for "media & money". (His own words)


Never mind



Response to Stellar (Original post)

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
6. If nobody sees this
Mon Nov 6, 2017, 08:48 PM
Nov 2017

Does it exist?

There needs to be more effort to get this into the mainstream over and over. Republicans are very good at getting a consistent message out and to as many people as possible. During the election in 16 it was nonstop Kellyanne Conway. For every 25 times I saw Kellyanne, I’d see the Dem equivalent John Podesta. The elections are won and lost on CNN, Fox, and MSNBC which then creates the narrative.

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
28. I wouldnt think itd be too hard to get on various
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 02:23 AM
Nov 2017

MSNBC programs or CNN right now. fox no. Washington Times, Washington Post, Huffington Post, Newsweek, Time etc I think would welcome Bernie’s imput considering he still has a significant following. I think Bernie could have easily campaigned with Hillary more than two occasions and he was heavy courted through the process to provide support/endorsement etc repeatedly. I look at it more as reluctance than lack of opportunity.

Is there a MSM bias. In some areas yes, but far less than the Bush years when any criticism was seen as “treason” in the media at points. I think his input sways a lot of minds still, and him being a loud voice on the issues like this one would be helpful. His followers are active, and just need a cause to fight right now IMO. He has the power to have half a million people storm Washington in prot sets at the drop of a hat. That little blurb above will reach what... .0005 of the population when it could reach millions. The opportunity exists if he wanted to be more visible for positive causes such as this. My opinion.

Response to Catch2.2 (Reply #10)

 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
22. Sorry ME..that's all the humor I got left!
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 12:49 AM
Nov 2017

I'm going with Nina & Nomiki for the win.

Hey, whatever happened to Jane & the tanking of that college?
FBI must be digging deeper into financials.
S'pose they found that Off Shore acct she had set up for the St Lucie woodworking school/Burlington College abroad program?

I think I read that she claimed to have closed it when she drove Burlington College in that financial ditch.
Haven't heard if she's been indicted over the loan issues.
Gee I hope she comes out ok.
Never know when the Feds start snooping around!

Hi ME

Me.

(35,454 posts)
24. I've Often Wondered
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 01:40 AM
Nov 2017

But the latest news is from JUly. However, there are millions of Paradise Papers. We might find that $10mil eventually.

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
31. Per Senator Warren...
Tue Nov 7, 2017, 03:57 PM
Nov 2017
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/sen-elizabeth-warren-gop-tax-plan-is-giveaway-to-giant-corporations-not-middle-class

Per: Senator Warren about the GOP tax bill...

or they could have said, I know, let's write a check for $17,000 to every single family in America making less than $200,000. And they still would have money left over.
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