Senator Bernie Sanders Real Time with Bill Maher

[liberalnarb]

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

1. Another brilliant appearance by Bernie... no one articulates the progressive message better!!

[liberalnarb]

2. HES SO DIVISIVE AND TOXIC!!!!! NOT A DEMOCRAT!!!!! BLAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. Hahaha!! IKR!!

[bahrbearian]

7. He just does to for attention, and for the money, which he hides from the IRS.

Did you know he is worth 2 million dollars. That's more than any Politician in History. He almost has more money than Me. And I worked hard for my money , nobody gave me one red cent , unlike Bernie who took a his money from the gubmit.

[liberalnarb]

8. Healthcare for all? Affordable education? Strengthen Social Security? Raise the minimum wage??

CAN HE DO ANYTHING BUT PANDER TO RACIST DEPLORABLES???!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[ehrnst]

24. Right, BS invented all those concepts, didn't he?

Democrats had NO CLUE about those issues until Bernie came along...let alone actually authoring legislation to make a difference and getting it passed.

Gasp!

[liberalnarb]

25. Healthcare for All was not part of the mainstream Democratic agenda until Sanders' campaign

[ehrnst]

26. Um... 1971 was before any Sanders Campaign

https://khn.org/news/kennedy-health-care-timeline/

Perhaps you should google what Bernie was doing in 1971.

I seem to recall that it was LBJ that got Medicare and Medicaid implemented even before that.

Perhaps you aren't familiar with Pell Grants for college education. Educate yourself:

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/27/pell-grants-college-costs_n_1835081.html

But, I'll bite, which Sanders campaign?

Was it before Hillary's '93 healthcare for all initiative?

CHIP actually got affordable healthcare expanded. That was Hillary and Ted Kennedy's doing. Actions speak louder than words, even if they are repeated endlessly.

https://thinkprogress.org/ted-kennedys-record-on-health-care-reform-9118c3ee077c/

So, tell me about how the Sanders campaign was the begining of the fight for the minimum wage increase....

June 4, 2007

After a Ten Year Battle, Democrats Raise the Minimum Wage for American Workers

https://www.dpc.senate.gov/dpcdoc.cfm?doc_name=fs-110-1-88

Just because you weren't paying attention before Bernie doesn't mean he is the genesis of those ideas.

[liberalnarb]

27. I was referring to the medicare for all bill that was proposed in 2017.

[ehrnst]

32. Hello - the ACA wasn't mainstream Democratic policy?

And that actually got passed, unlike anything that Sanders has put forth before or since.

The ACA is the closest this country has ever come to universal health care - which is the actual goal. Most countries have multi-payer systems that resemble the ACA more than Medicare.

The "medicare for all" that Sanders put forth in 2016 is not like Medicare at all. It is way, way more expensive- and includes rx and dental- It resembles a platinum private plan more than it does Medicare.

But "MFA" is excellent marketing, if not representative of Medicare. Not even Canada can afford what Sanders promises the U.S. But when one doesn't think they are ever going to have to implement it. One can promise anything if they know they can blame someone or something else for not delivering.

[liberalnarb]

34. What kind of twisted logic is that?

The PPACA is the closest we've come to Universal Healthcare therefore we should go no further? Now, I'm not trashing the PPACA, its been a lifesaver for many Americans including several in my family. However, PPACA is effectively a set of rules designed to govern the already existing health insurance marketplace. I emphasize that it is the PPACA and not just the ACA as much of the achievements of the policy are in the Patient Protection category rather than affordability. PPACA didn't create a universal healthcare system, its still the same healthcare system. People still have to deal with private insurance companies and pay ridiculous premiums. As for MFA, the plan put forward would cost the United States $6 trillion less over the next decade than the current system would. And what about all the Democrats on board with MFA. You know, people like Cory Booker, Tammy Baldwin, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris, Liz Warren and a number of others? Are all of them just partaking in a cruel marketing scheme to fool the American people?

[ehrnst]

35. When did I say the ACA "should go no further?"

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That's a twisted strawman.

I was pointing out to you that the the ACA is as far as we have gotten TOWARDS universal health care ("has ever come to" ).... and it was put into existence by Democrats, contrary to your claims that Sanders is the only one who has been pushing universal health care in recent years.

And yes, all politics involves marketing. And the phrase "Medicare for All" is political marketing if not as accurate as actual health policy analysts see it. Medicare is popular, so associating your plan with it - accurately or not - is good marketing.

But the moniker “Medicare for All” is misleading. Sanders’s proposal actually scraps Medicare’s operating model, which mimics the private sector’s insurance-company-based structure, including the use of private insurers for administrative tasks. BernieCare, by contrast, would eliminate the private sector’s role in insurance provision. In fact, Sanders seeks to discard the current patchwork of government and private options: Medicare for the elderly, Medicaid for the poor, employer-provided insurance for the better-off and ACA policies for those who fall through the cracks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/made-by-history/wp/2017/09/26/medicare-for-all-sounds-great-but-berniecare-is-a-political-flop/?utm_term=.c76818a1b958

Any Dem who is thinking about a run in 2020 is going to get on that bandwagon, no matter how unlikely single payer is likely to get implemented (outside Medicare, Medicaid and the armed forces health care coverage) in the next 20-30 years. It can't hurt - and again, it's easy to get on board with something that you can blame on someone/something else when you don't deliver.

Hillary had the plan to let people buy into Medicare earlier, and get every child covered through age 18. Incremental moves forward, like with Social Security has over 75 years, is the most likely way we will get there, and stay there.

https://khn.org/news/looking-north-can-a-single-payer-health-system-work-in-the-u-s/

[liberalnarb]

36. Ok. I don't really disagree with the most of what you are saying there.

[liberalnarb]

30. Oh Lord, looking over the threads I realize how silly that sounded.

I meant that Sanders had been responsible for the rise of Medicare for All in the mainstream. I was aware that universal healthcare has been an issue for decades, it was part of the reason Ted Kennedy challenged President Carter in '80. My apologies, I see how that sounded.

[ehrnst]

33. Thanks for that clarification.

A lot of people think universal health care coverage = Single Payer, when it's only one option to get to there.

And yes, raising the minimum wage, strengthening Social Security and affordable pre and post public school education has been a mainstream priority of Democrats for decades as well.

[Eliot Rosewater]

4. What I took from it is we need to appeal to deplorable trump voting racists to get votes

no thanks

TAX RETURNS please

[liberalnarb]

6. Yes, saying that we need a strong progressive economic message is all coded pandering to

racists.

[ehrnst]

9. False equivalency. (nt)

[liberalnarb]

11. ?

[ehrnst]

12. This:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence

No, Eliot did not make the false equivalency that you claim Eliot did.

You made the false equivalency about what Eliot said.

Is that clearer?

[aikoaiko]

10. How about the ones who voted for Obama?

No thanks?

[ehrnst]

13. You mean the people who were unhappy that he didn't assuage their white fragility? (nt)

[aikoaiko]

14. maybe, I don't know their feelings about their "white fragility" or Obama's response to it

But I do know they voted for the greatest president in my lifetime who was a Democrat and they might do so again.

[ehrnst]

15. You brought them up. Why do you think that white people voted for Trump after voting for Obama? (nt)

[ehrnst]

17. Oh, so Hillary was the reason that white Democrats voted for DT?

And white misogyny had nothing to do with it?

Obama said that she was more qualified than anyone who ever ran. I guess that those who voted for the ultimate misogynist stopped listening to Obama some time before he said that.

Right?

[ehrnst]

19. So the crack about "We're Stronger Together" wasn't about HRC?

Really?

I think there are ways to make Obama-Trump voters feel included without sacrificing Democratic values.

I call BS, and think that you are slamming HRC.

How little respect do you have for the perception of Democrats here on DU?

[aikoaiko]

20. "Stronger Together" was a campaign, not a person.

Bottom line is that I’m not ready to blow off swing voters or less than perfect Democrats or Independents.

A lot of “good” Democrats said we didn’t need them and as it turned out we did.

We need to GOTV and appeal swing voters.

[ehrnst]

21. Nice evasion.

And who are "less than perfect Democrats?"

And it's certainly not a campaign that "blows off swing voters."

How do you define "swing voters" other than white people who voted for Obama?

Can you define how the Democratic Presidential Campaign blew them off, and as you put it, continue to?

And who are the "good Democrats" that you say this "campaign" said we didn't need?

[aikoaiko]

22. I no longer think you're interested in a genuine conversation so I'll bow out.

[ehrnst]

23. Beats answering the questions about what you brought up, doesn't it?

Looks like you're the one who doesn't want an actual conversation. You seem to bow out when actually asked about your claims.

Also known as writing checks with one's mouth that one's posterior can't cash.

[jalan48]

5. Excellent interview. Thanks for posting.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

28. K and R

[Uncle Joe]

29. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread liberalnarb

[Gothmog]

31. I stopped watch Maher a long time ago

A clip with sanders is more reason to not watch Maher

[Maven]

37. HARD PASS on Sanders and Maher. nt