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Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:16 PM

John F Kennedy argues for universal healthcare

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:19 PM

1. But I thought.....oh never mind.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:34 PM

2. WE should not provide congressional grade healthcare to the scoundrels

in congress unless they provide universal healthcare to their constituents that pay for theirs.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:52 PM

3. It would be nice to have Kennedy as our President again

There was a guy the average citizen could have respect in. He was in office for only two years and eleven months. Call me sensitive or sentimental but I can not get past losing him. When he was assassinated it sent this country into a bad way.



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Response to apkhgp (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 07:55 PM

4. It was so sad. And he was young, good looking, a war hero, smart.

But he wasn't popular when he was President.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 08:01 PM

5. I think that was the same

with Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama.


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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #4)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 09:40 PM

6. Kennedy averaged a 70% approval rating during his presidency

His biggest slip came between February and October 1963 and support for Civil Rights was apparently the cause of it. Per Pew Research:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/11/20/jfks-america/

There is little doubt that race had become the issue at the end of the Kennedy administration. In September, 52% told Gallup that racial tensions were the most important problem facing the nation. Just 25% of Gallup’s respondents cited international problems, which had been the dominant issue of 1962.

And race took a toll on President Kennedy’s popularity rating. His approval score slipped from 70% in February to 59% in October. Most of the decline occurred after the JFK’s June civil rights speech and most of it occurred in the South. Between March and September that year, his ratings fell from 60% to 44%. There was less slippage outside of the South over this period- 76% to 69%.


He also held a substantial lead over Goldwater in the polls. This is the second time today I've seen something posted about JFK not being popular (other time was on a Facebook thread) and I have to wonder where it is coming from.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 04:00 PM

8. My mother told me that about 40 years ago. And then I read that.

I didn't say he was disliked or had high disapproval ratings. I said he wasn't that popular.

You mention Goldwater. I wasn't speaking of his winning. He won by quite a bit, didn't he? But during his short Presidency. You say yourself that he had a 44% approval near the end. Which is about half of his Presidency.

But I haven't looked it up lately.

I recall from early reading and documentaries that he was criticized quite a bit for how he handled the Bay of Pigs. Although things up well, and he handled it well, according to some...he didn't go far enough, for others. Russia put their missiles in Cuba, aimed at the U.S. He got an agreement for htem to turn their missiles away, but not to remove them. He was criticized for that.

I'll have to read up on his Presidency. It's been a while.

Okay...just looked it up. He had historically high approval ratings that first year. It went almost steadily downward from there, ending at...I found 50+% approval, but you say 44%..whichever is correct. So that's why my mother said that. That's what she would remember, since that was the most recent feelings of him, at the time of his assassination. There is a difference between "not that popular" and being UNpopular. She and I said he wasn't "that popular," compared to the way some may think he was popular. People have a tendency to exaggerate things after someone is tragically killed.

We lived in the south, so her perception would come from our living in the deep south. She had no opinion of him herself, I think. She was the most apolitical person I've ever known.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 07:00 PM

10. His approval rating dropped to 44% in the south

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In October 1963. Outside of that area it was still well above 60% and at 59% overall.

An unpopular president is not going to get approval ratings as high as JFK did.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:12 PM

11. I didn't say he was unpopular.

I said "he wasn't that popular." Not the same thing.

And yes...for the last year and a half, his approval rating was declining...not as popular as people think he was. "Not that popular." Doesn't mean he wasn't popular at all.

He had really high ratings that first year, though. Super high. Still above average the last year.

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Response to apkhgp (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 05:21 PM

9. Indeed. Kennedy's average approval rating was over 70%

Over the whole of his presidency, Kennedy averaged a 70.1 percent approval rating, comfortably the highest of any post-World War II president. By comparison, the average for all presidents between 1938 and 2012 is 54 percent.1

Selfie taken in mirror by Jacqueline Kennedy (born 89 years ago yesterday) with Ethel Kennedy and JFK:

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Response to Snellius (Reply #9)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:13 PM

12. Sigh. That's simply not true.

He had very high approval ratings the first year. It started declining after that. Before he was assassinated, his approval rating was about 58%...slightly above average.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 07:12 AM

15. 70+% was the average

His highest was about 83%, which is really unbelievable, and for the first year averaged about 75%. Almost all presidents dip after the 1st year as the honeymoon period begins to wear off.

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Response to Snellius (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:03 AM

16. What's Trump's average? What was Clinton's average?

No one uses "average" to describe approval ratings of Presidents. They note the high and the low. An average is meaningless.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 09:23 AM

17. Highs and lows relative to what?

https://news.gallup.com/poll/116677/presidential-approval-ratings-gallup-historical-statistics-trends.aspx

Highs and lows don't tell us much without a baseline average. W's approval after 9/11 was like 90%, highest in history, but how did that turn out? 25%.

Actually all these approval polls are meaningless in a way. You almost have to have lived during a presidency, tuned in, and been part of the total zeitgeist or studied the period as a dispassionate historian, to really get a sense of how popular they were. With Kennedy, at least among the general culture, especially under 30, he was adored and his death was really the beginning of the political and culture revolution of the 60s.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 01:37 AM

7. Harry Truman proposed universal health care in 1945

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/november-19-1945-harry-truman-calls-national-health-insurance-program

Unfortunately it was defeated by a combination of big money republicans and racist democrats. The same combo that's fucking us now except the racists are republicans too.

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Response to Buzz cook (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 10:22 PM

13. It's a pity that didn't pass. Ironically, it may have made Americans healthier...

It may have made Americans healthier, and kept health costs in check that way. And kept the profit motive from driving costs up.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue Jul 31, 2018, 05:19 AM

14. Teddy Roosevelt's 1912 run mentioned

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