Bill Maher and Irshad Manji defend Chelsea Clinton from the crazy Left

[question everything]

[elleng]

1. Doesn't help for anyone to label whomever as 'the crazy left,'

as that surely won't lead to discussion/dialogue/anything productive.

[NurseJackie]

4. I have no problem with it.

The ones he's describing are beyond "discussion/dialogue/anything productive" so the best course of action is to call them out for what they are and de-legitimize them to the fullest extent allowed. Marginalize them and remove whatever influence they have. They're like anti-vaxers. Nothing will change them, so they need to be ridiculed and ostracized from society. Good riddance to them.

PS: I dislike Bill Maher for different reasons.

[elleng]

5. Say this and we're DONE!The ones he's describing are beyond "discussion/dialogue/anything productive

We must NOT give up on ANYONE.

NO ONE should be ridiculed and ostracized, we have to LIVE with these people.

I rarely watch Maher.

[NurseJackie]

6. I disagree.

We must NOT give up on ANYONE.

I disagree. Some people are so far gone that they're not worth "saving". Why spend a week trying to convert one "crazy" when someone could spend a day and convert a dozen reasonable people?

EDIT: We used to watch Maher regularly... but then he got crazy. I stopped enjoying him and he just made me angry when he validated and gave voice to people like Milo whatshisface.

[amuse bouche]

16. "We used to watch Maher regularly... but then he got crazy"

He's far from crazy. I dislike his reich wing guests, as any good dem would. However, he gives dems much needed checks and an occasional scolding. Love him to pieces and would never miss his show.

Dems don't have many cheerleaders. It's horrible that a good one like him, gets trashed over an occasional blip on the screen

[NurseJackie]

17. So it's okay for him to scold Democrats, but it's not okay for loyal Democrats to scold him?

It's horrible that a good one like him, gets trashed over an occasional blip on the screen

So it's okay for him to scold Democrats, but it's not okay for loyal Democrats to scold him? Got it!



He's also a complete ass whenever one of his "jokes" fails and does a belly-flop... instead of rolling with it and laughing at himself (or blaming his writers), he scolds the audience for being "too dumb" to get it, or for being too "sensitive" whenever his crass humor is rejected with groans or a smattering of muffled laughter.

Love him to pieces and would never miss his show.

I guess I just have higher standards. He's an ass and he gives legitimacy and a national platform to RW nut jobs, crazies and other assorted lunatics. Ann Coulter doesn't need "equal time" she's NOT a "news-maker"... she's a goddamned cesspool of toxic hatred and bigotry... yet there she is at least once or twice a year. Fuck that shit!

[amuse bouche]

23. "So it's okay for him to scold Democrats, but it's not okay for loyal Democrats to scold him?Got it"

Scolding is much different than what you actually said. You stopped watching him since he got 'crazy'

You come across as super angry but don't blame it all on him. He's not the problem.

Purity dems are a real problem. I'm with him 100% on that note

[NurseJackie]

26. "Purity dems are a real problem. I'm with him 100% on that note" --- We agree on that.

Purity dems are a real problem. I'm with him 100% on that note

We agree on that.

You come across as super angry but don't blame it all on him. He's not the problem.

I thought this was about Maher, not me.

Scolding is much different than what you actually said. You stopped watching him since he got 'crazy'

Crazy with his love of RW nutjubs and "purity Dems" (your phrase) like Cornell West, Micheal Moore, and others who have nothing but the greatest of contempt for the Democratic party itself. I most certainly "scold" him for that and hold him accountable for legitimizing them and giving them a national platform for their kookiness. Milo? Coulter? Come ON!

You and I probably agree on more than you realize. I guess it's the abrupt, direct, harsh and serrated way that I describe things that bothers you. I just tell it like it is. If anyone wants to dismiss me by characterizing me as being "super angry", there's not much I can do about that. I've heard it all before.

[ehrnst]

24. +1000. (nt)

[Hortensis]

20. I imagine Maher is genuinely sincere in wanting what Democrats want,

but he's the scorpion in the ancient fable about human nature.

Remember, the scorpion needed to get to the other side of the river and promised the frog he wouldn't sting him because if he did they'd both drown? When they were about to die in the middle of the river, the frog asked "Why?!" And the scorpion said, "Because it's my nature." And, this being a fable and thus meant to be a lesson to the reader, added: "You knew what I was."

Human nature's the same as it always was, and there are lots of scorpions out there who want democratic programs but just can't or won't control their nature to sabotage the efforts of others.

Scorpions are not exactly hard to identify once the lesson is taken. In politics, they're almost always seeking (more) power or talking trash about people of similar ideology who have it. After all, if they were in charge who would they sabotage? And, this is big: They always identify themselves as having high morals and ideals, always setting themselves above and decrying corruption and weakness in all those Democratic frogs who threaten to achieve what they do not.

[question everything]

21. I cringe more than getting angry

Too often he holds a distorted mirror, but a mirror nonetheless, to what we find uncomfortable. In this case, he was a spot on. I am getting tired of us, Democrats, demanding that our leaders apologize for everything, including, as we see on the Primary Forum, things from several decades ago.

[Cha]

13. Oh you mean like "sippin on dat" ridiculed

and ostracized, Chelsea? Even After she apologized?!

Like that?

[elleng]

14. No

[fascisthunter]

8. Blah blah blah

But right now you are protected by technicality.

[NurseJackie]

11. What does this even mean? Can anyone explain?

[Cha]

12. No, I don't speak his "blah blah blah".. lol

[NurseJackie]

18. It's the phrase "protected by a technicality" that's confusing...

It's the phrase "protected by a technicality" that's confusing. From what am I being protected? From whom? What's the technicality?

Whatever it is, I seem to have struck a nerve. (Supposedly, my use of animated emojis means I'm a "troll".)

Oh well.

[Cha]

25. That is weird.. and

all you got were crickets!

[NurseJackie]

27. Scroll up and you may discover why.

[Cha]

30. ..

[NurseJackie]

33. People who walk on thin ice often get wet...

... and that's all I have to say about that.

[marble falls]

10. We do have some crazies.

[Kurt V.]

31. Human behavior is the most interesting and important subject ever. you should look into it.

[Cha]

15. sippin on dat is the one who shut down

dialogue. She didn't want to hear anything Chelsea had to say.. and after that she doubled and tripled, etc down and lied about it.

Pathetic.

Good on Maher and Irshad Manji Defending Chelsea

[Kurt V.]

28. +1

[elleng]

29. Thanks, Kurt V.

[Kurt V.]

32. you are most welcome.

[videohead5]

2. I don't understand how anyone

Could believe what Chelsea Clinton posted on Twitter had anything to do with what happened in New Zealand? They may not be crazy but they are not thinking straight.

[W T F]

3. One question: is the woman in the video actually from the "crazy left" or a Russian actor?

[question everything]

7. Judge for yourself

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128737124#post27

[Oerdin]

19. Maher is right.

Some of our extremists really are unhinged to attack Chelsea Clinton for saying something as simple as anti-semitism is bad. Ilhan Omar has made no less than four anti-semitic statements in less than two months and the vast bulk of the party was correct to call out her anti-semitism.

Also before any of you lie, no, Ilhan Omar did not criticize Israeli policies. Omar claimed Jewish Americans are disloyal to America simply because they are Jewish and THAT is disgusting anti-semitism. We as a party should never accept or cover for such filth.

[question everything]

22. Thank you