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Samuel J. Seymour
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_J._Seymour
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)From the Wikipedia article linked in the OP:
Good thing - he might've smoked that free carton and died!
underpants
(182,739 posts)Thats all they got for a national TV appearance?
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Another curious part of this is that his godmother brought him to a play (Our American Cousin) that was decidedly adult-oriented:
Synopsis
Act I
In the drawing room at Trenchard Manor, the servants remark on their employer's poor financial circumstances. Florence Trenchard, an aristocratic young beauty, loves Lieutenant Harry Vernon of the Royal Navy, but she is unable to marry him until he progresses to a higher rank. She receives a letter from her brother Ned, who is currently in the United States. Ned has met some rustic cousins from a branch of the family that had immigrated to America two centuries earlier. They relay to Ned that great-uncle Mark Trenchard had, after angrily disinheriting his children and leaving England years ago, found these cousins in Brattleboro, Vermont. He had moved in with them and eventually made Asa, one of the sons, heir to his property in England. Asa is now sailing to England to claim the estate.
Asa is noisy, coarse, and vulgar, but honestly forthright and colourful. The English Trenchards are alternately amused and appalled by this Vermont cousin. Richard Coyle, agent of the estate, meets with Sir Edward Trenchard (Florence's father) and tells the baronet that the family faces bankruptcy unless they can repay a debt to Coyle. Coyle is concealing the evidence that the loan had been repaid long ago by Sir Edward's late father. Coyle suggests that the loan would be satisfied if he may marry Florence, who detests him. Meanwhile, Asa and the butler, Binny, try to understand each other's unfamiliar ways, as Asa tries to understand what the purpose of a shower might be, dousing himself while fully clothed.
Act II
Mrs. Mountchessington is staying at Trenchard Manor. She advises Augusta, her daughter, to be attentive to the presumably wealthy Vermont "savage". Meanwhile, her other daughter Georgina is courting an imbecilic nobleman named Dundreary by pretending to be ill. Florence's old tutor, the unhappy alcoholic Abel Murcott, warns her that Coyle intends to marry her. Asa overhears this and offers Florence his help. Murcott is Coyle's clerk and has found proof that Florence's late grandfather paid off the loan to Coyle.
Florence and Asa visit her cousin, Mary Meredith. Mary is the granddaughter of old Mark Trenchard, who left his estate to Asa. Mary is very poor and has been raised as a humble dairy maid. Asa does not care about her social status and is attracted to her. Florence has not been able to bring herself to tell Mary that her grandfather's fortune had been left to Asa. Florence tells Asa that she loves Harry, who needs a good assignment to a ship. Asa uses his country wile to persuade Dundreary to help Harry get a ship. Meanwhile, Coyle has been up to no good, and the bailiffs arrive at Trenchard Manor.
Act III
At her dairy, Asa tells Mary about her grandfather in America, but he fibs about the end of the tale: He says that old Mark Trenchard changed his mind about disinheriting his English children and burned his will. Asa promptly burns the will himself. Florence discovers this and points it out to Mary, saying: "It means that he is a true hero, and he loves you, you little rogue." Meanwhile, Mrs. Mountchessington still hopes that Asa will propose to Augusta. When Asa tells them that Mark Trenchard had left Mary his fortune, Augusta and Mrs. Mountchessington are quite rude, but Asa stands up for himself.
Asa proposes to Mary and is happily accepted. He then sneaks into Coyle's office with Murcott and retrieves the paper that shows that the debt was paid. Asa confronts Coyle and insists that Coyle must pay off Sir Edward's other debts, with his doubtless ill-gotten gains, and also apologize to Florence for trying to force her into marriage. He also demands Coyle's resignation as the steward of Trenchard Manor, making Murcott steward instead. Murcott is so pleased that he vows to stop drinking. Coyle has no choice but to do all this. Florence marries Harry, Dundreary marries Georgina, and Augusta marries an old beau. Even the servants marry.
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A better choice, for a 5 year old, would've been to take him to the performance of Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp playing at Grover's Theatre in DC that same night. He might've even gotten to meet Tad Lincoln:
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On April 14, 1865, Tad went to Grover's Theatre to see the play Aladdin and the Wonderful Lamp while his parents attended the performance of Our American Cousin at Ford's Theatre. That night, his father was fatally shot by John Wilkes Booth. When news of the assassination spread to Grover's Theatre, the manager made an announcement to the entire audience. Tad began running and screaming, "They killed Papa! They killed Papa!" He was escorted back to the White House while his mother pleaded to have him brought to his father's deathbed at the Petersen House. "Bring Tadhe will speak to Tadhe loves him so." Late that night, an inconsolable Tad was put to bed by a White House doorman. President Lincoln died the next morning, on Saturday, April 15, at 7:22 am. About the death of his father, Tad said:
Pa is dead. I can hardly believe that I shall never see him again. I must learn to take care of myself now. Yes, Pa is dead, and I am only Tad Lincoln now, little Tad, like other little boys. I am not a president's son now. I won't have many presents anymore. Well, I will try and be a good boy, and will hope to go someday to Pa and brother Willie, in Heaven.
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Nonetheless, he witnessed one of the most profound events in American history.
rpannier
(24,329 posts)I read somewhere that they paid his medical expenses for his fall
FoxNewsSucks
(10,429 posts)hlthe2b
(102,205 posts)Of course, as amazing as that appearance was, seeing all the cigarettes being pushed was a very unhappy reminder of the past as well.
marble falls
(57,063 posts)sixties surrounded by smokers in family, social, work and military occasions, it is especially troubling.
underpants
(182,739 posts)marble falls
(57,063 posts)on the show who saw Lincoln assassinated???
cab67
(2,992 posts)In the Maasai language, there are two words for "death." That's because you die twice. The first time, your heart stops beating. The second time, the last person who knew you dies. You're not completely dead as long as you're in living memory.
I think back on the best history documentary series - BBC's The World At War, Ken Burns' series on WW2 and Vietnam, an earlier PBS series on the Vietnam War, a documentary I saw many years ago about the Civil Rights era whose title I've forgotten, and so on. Their greatest impact is when living witnesses are interviewed. This is also why Steven Spielberg's Shoah project was so critical - he was collecting eyewitness accounts of the Holocaust while those eyewitnesses were still able to provide them.
I remain aghast that so few such documentaries were made during the 1950s or 1960s of the First World War, when many veterans were still alive and lucid. A few were made much later with the few remaining centenarian veterans, but imagine how much richer our understanding of the conflict would be with their testimony.
I realize this wasn't a documentary. But, still - it records the memories of an actual eyewitness who is no longer with us. He links us in a very living way to real history.
underpants
(182,739 posts)AS THE UNITED STATES celebrates Presidents Day, an historical oddity continues: President John Tyler, who served from 1841 to 1845, was born in 1790, died in 1862, still has two surviving grandsons.
Lyon Gardiner Tyler Jr. was born in 1924. Harrison Ruffin Tyler was born in 1928. They are the sons of Lyon Gardiner Tyler Sr., one of President Tyler's 15 children.
https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2017-02-20/president-john-tyler-born-in-1790-still-has-2-living-grandsons
PCIntern
(25,518 posts)I remember when the last Civil War widow died and that was not all that long ago in 2004. When she was 21 she married an 81 year old Condederate veteran.
Yes yes....
2naSalit
(86,515 posts)a lengthy interview/news story about her.