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Related: About this forumSteve Bannon Runs Maher's Interview -- One Panelist Told Him That One Can Do Nothing But Listen
Maher's bottom line response: "I wish we had someone on our side as evil as you."
BigMin28
(1,150 posts)for giving his evil ass the microphone. Let him go on Fox News to spew his bullshit.
Any outlet giving him a voice only helps to legitimize him.
ancianita
(35,816 posts)comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)It's just pathetic.
ancianita
(35,816 posts)tomhagen
(3,604 posts)Gothmog
(144,005 posts)ancianita
(35,816 posts)Can our nominee win?
When blue no matter who wins, then what?
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)but the conservatives he tends to bring on are pop freaks, most of whom are stark-raving nuts.
ancianita
(35,816 posts)If you understand Maher's sentiments, do you understand, too, that our party has no plan for after Nov 3, 2020?
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)Bannon is one of the people on the right who comes up with talking points that are then inserted by right wingers in conversations across the media by many who now call themselves Republicans.
You say that Maher got 'owned,' but that is not entirely accurate.
The truth is that all of us have gotten owned by this discipline, this spouting of the same talking points over and over and over, which, along with some other communication techniques, such as never allowing one's interlocutor to finish a thought, are what we face every day in getting out our message - across media channels, in our living rooms, and certainly on campaign trails.
The truth is that we simply do not know, none of us, how to speak against people like Bannon, who have a few simple talking points and habitually never allow the one with whom they are arguing to finish a thought. They stick to these points and simply talk over us.
I say US.
I meant US.
WE.
It isn't just Maher, and Bannon is already legitimized with around fifty to sixty million Americans. On Maher, he simply demonstrated what Republicans have ALL been coached to do. Stick to the points and talk over your opponent. Over and over and over. Lee Atwater. Karl Rove. Bannon.
And make no mistake. Bannon is a Nazi. His policy positions are straight from Storm Front.
You say Maher got owned. You say it was pathetic. You say Maher was wrong to have him on because it 'legitimizes' him.
I say that Maher had him on to demonstrate to us all what we're up against. We all, at least on this site, try and put up a good front - oh, we're going to go blue no matter who in November.
And so we should.
But then what? Because if we don't, as a group, find some communication strategy that cripples the talking points and allows us to get a word in edgewise, the entire right wing noise machine will survive the election, even if we paint the whole country blue.
I have some ideas, beginning with the hammering out of a new Fairness Doctrine, and enforcing net neutrality. But even if you disagree with me here, you must see we must find a way to prevail in these kinds of arguments. Because Bannon is only one of MANY on the right who can do this and does it regularly - to reporters, to comedy show hosts and yes, to us in our living rooms. My cousin did it to me a couple months ago.
Habibi
(3,597 posts)chowder66
(9,011 posts)ancianita
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But not this part, because I didn't say anything but that Bannon ran roughshod over Maher. Others said this stuff:
As long as we don't wait for someone to save us, but work to do it for each other, we could come out of this Nazi horror on the other side by first winning the presidency AND the Senate, the latter being the more important of the two. If we lose, we've got antifa, youth groups, unions, minority orgs and some law enforcement like courts people in the ACLU, SPLC, CREW and others. So we're not some likely outsider loser demographic.
Thank you for your post!
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)I was replying pretty much to everyone on the thread.
But yeah, we ARE the majority. You are quite right for pointing that out. Bannon and the others do these techniques because they have to. Their arguments cannot stand up morally or economically. So they lie, cheat, talk loudly, interrupt and cleave to just a couple of lies they tell over and over. No doubt there.
flamingdem
(39,304 posts)Still wrapping my head around that interview, it was scary but Bannon was giving hints too.
ancianita
(35,816 posts)ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)I totally concur, Maher owned him, Bannon was acting like a coked up jock after the big game, complete tool spewing all his badly coached acting session lines. Maher has an intelligent audience, he is speaking to people who think like him or want to, and that leads me to this brilliant part of your post, crippling the talking points.
Short of going on TV and shouting FUCK OFF, how do we do that? I am serious.
PatrickforO
(14,516 posts)sure I have an answer except that we need to constantly a) verse ourselves on what their talking points ARE, b) figure out good arguments against those points, and c) put those arguments in succinct 'talking point' form.
FDR was good at that. So was Kennedy. Martin Luther King Jr. was also good at it.
But this IS something we've got to figure out because the survival of our republic depends on it.
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)A) understand their moves
B) outmaneuver them at their moves
C) Fucking win
blm
(112,920 posts)pbmus
(12,418 posts)that owning the judge and police aka; escape from New York will not end well...
Snake is not going to save them from the Con...
usaf-vet
(6,094 posts)Sucha NastyWoman
(2,725 posts)When Brannon starts fast talking and non-stop conversation dominance in lieu if reasonable argument its no longer a debate.
It may look like a debate, but it isnt.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)poli-junkie
(992 posts)2naSalit
(86,071 posts)SergeStorms
(18,903 posts)when Bannon was on. I wasn't going to listen to that evil bastard's bullshit. I'm tiring of Maher as well. His Libertarian bullshit and giving these right-wing assholes air time is getting to my attitude. Maher seems to attack Democrats more than he does these right-wing turd blossoms.
ancianita
(35,816 posts)than to take a notion to an assault weapon battle. Orcs' ugliness and stank have to be faced head-on.
I think our literary Serge would come up with some creative ideas for taking these fuckers down. Like those Miami Dems filing ethical charges against Gaetz. Now that's the Serge spirit.
BigmanPigman
(51,432 posts)I got about 2/3 through and skipped it. Apparently, from what Bill said to Fareed, Bill was not enjoying it much either. I wish he would stop having quests that give me a heart attack.
Newest Reality
(12,712 posts)Good ratings and controversial attention for Bill! He's a good performer and a smart showman.
ancianita
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as it stands. So their interest in Maher shows their attention to the political issues Maher brings up every single week. Viewers get acquainted with names of more Democrats and liberals than Republicans and conservatives. This Bannon interview was one of the couple of Republican influencers he invites on his show per season, which is now changed to a year-round show.
He's smart on lots of levels. He's also out to afflict the comfortable. When Bannon went hard, though, it was notable that Maher showed defensiveness, as he got a rough up lesson in the take-charge style of Republican politics that cares only for power and winning. Bannon's words displayed why that party is throwing the Constitution under the history bus.
The fact that HBO has established channels in various countries worldwide including Brazil, Canada, Eastern Europe, India, Mexico, Pakistan, the Caribbean, and Southeast Asia, and has on-demand in over 20 countries, including Russia, shows that the world gets exposed to our issues through our own Democratic influencer.
Maher knows that his show has a larger audience than rated cable news stations.
And the show is impressive for another reason. It's LIVE, not taped.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)among other things, who doesnt like them.
Anyone who is swayed by these losers or finds them legimized, aint gonna vote our way. I bet Bannon is officially back on trumps campaign by summer.
ancianita
(35,816 posts)he's probably already been on the campaign, just out of monitoring or jurisdictional reach while in the EU. He's been busy building conservative "nationalist" parties and orgs over there.
In November 2019, Bannon was compelled to testify in the trial of Roger Stone. Bannon testified that Stone was the wikileaks access point for the Trump campaign, to establish that Stone lied to Congress. Stone was subsequently convicted on all charges.[177][178]
Bannon told journalist Michael Lewis in February 2018, "We got elected on Drain the Swamp, Lock Her Up, Build a Wall. This was pure anger. Anger and fear is what gets people to the polls." He added, "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon
Now that executive and DOJ obstruction has blown the door open on constitutional limits, who knows what election subversions they'll try. Formally disavowing Bannon in media never, ever means that IF45 won't keep Bannon working for him.
Bannon, Barr, McConnell, Roberts -- 45's four horsemen in 2020
pansypoo53219
(20,908 posts)rockfordfile
(8,682 posts)That got kicked out of trying to create a fascist group. Remember right-wing fascist that murder thousands of Americans and Italians.