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Steve Bannon Runs Maher's Interview -- One Panelist Told Him That One Can Do Nothing But Listen (Original Post) ancianita Feb 2020 OP
Thanks Bill BigMin28 Feb 2020 #1
Then he'll be legitimized. Now what. ancianita Feb 2020 #2
Right wing assholes routinely run roughshod over Bill Maher. comradebillyboy Feb 2020 #3
Now they're moving us all into a new future. Now who's pathetic. ancianita Feb 2020 #4
Waste of time to attempt a rational discourse with this ilk. tomhagen Feb 2020 #5
Republicans and Russia are going to manipulate Bernie Bros again... Gothmog Feb 2020 #6
Two questions to think about: if it results in a DNC nomination, will that matter? ancianita Feb 2020 #8
I understand Maher's sentiments... B Stieg Feb 2020 #7
Right. Now they're winning. Calling them names doesn't help us figure out how to beat them. ancianita Feb 2020 #9
I'd like to introduce a new sentiment on this thread. PatrickforO Feb 2020 #10
This should be an OP. nt Habibi Feb 2020 #13
I agree. nt chowder66 Feb 2020 #14
Your last paragraph -- I agree with everything. ancianita Feb 2020 #16
Well, that's true. I stand corrected. I supposed I didn't make it quite clear that PatrickforO Feb 2020 #22
Good analysis flamingdem Feb 2020 #17
Yes, he was. I don't think I've ever seen Maher listen and stare as intently as he did with Bannon. ancianita Feb 2020 #21
Deeply touched by your post ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #24
Well, I think it will kind of an iterative process figuring that out. I'm not PatrickforO Feb 2020 #25
I love boxing, fencing and chess ChubbyStar Feb 2020 #26
Nailed it. Been going on for 3 decades. blm Feb 2020 #28
The communication strategy must include an appeal to trumpers pbmus Feb 2020 #29
Why give him a platform to a national viewing audience? I lasted less than 2 mins of Bannon bullshit usaf-vet Feb 2020 #11
I couldn't get through it Sucha NastyWoman Feb 2020 #12
Bannon is a russian tool, I wouldn't give the evil prick airtime if my life depended on it. nt yaesu Feb 2020 #15
He's totally threatened by the $2 billion Bloomberg's committing. nt poli-junkie Feb 2020 #18
That's a good point. 2naSalit Feb 2020 #34
I turned to another channel.... SergeStorms Feb 2020 #19
Or you could see it this way -- he helps us know their influencers better. Better to know your enemy ancianita Feb 2020 #20
I couldn't watch the whole interview and I tried. BigmanPigman Feb 2020 #23
Good ratings? Newest Reality Feb 2020 #27
Cable isn't subject to commercial TV ratings contests. HBO has over 500 million viewers in the U.S. ancianita Feb 2020 #30
I watched the stupid ass. He and trump share a make up artist, Hoyt Feb 2020 #31
As an operative ancianita Feb 2020 #33
the right will cheat as hard as they can to retain power. pansypoo53219 Feb 2020 #32
It makes Maher look petty. Having a fascist pos on. That got kicked out of Italy rockfordfile Feb 2020 #35
Really? Why petty? Should we ignore a pos that Italy didn't? ancianita Feb 2020 #36

BigMin28

(1,150 posts)
1. Thanks Bill
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:39 AM
Feb 2020

for giving his evil ass the microphone. Let him go on Fox News to spew his bullshit.
Any outlet giving him a voice only helps to legitimize him.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
8. Two questions to think about: if it results in a DNC nomination, will that matter?
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:08 AM
Feb 2020

Can our nominee win?

When blue no matter who wins, then what?

B Stieg

(2,410 posts)
7. I understand Maher's sentiments...
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:07 AM
Feb 2020

but the conservatives he tends to bring on are pop freaks, most of whom are stark-raving nuts.


ancianita

(35,816 posts)
9. Right. Now they're winning. Calling them names doesn't help us figure out how to beat them.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:10 AM
Feb 2020

If you understand Maher's sentiments, do you understand, too, that our party has no plan for after Nov 3, 2020?

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
10. I'd like to introduce a new sentiment on this thread.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:21 PM
Feb 2020

Bannon is one of the people on the right who comes up with talking points that are then inserted by right wingers in conversations across the media by many who now call themselves Republicans.

You say that Maher got 'owned,' but that is not entirely accurate.

The truth is that all of us have gotten owned by this discipline, this spouting of the same talking points over and over and over, which, along with some other communication techniques, such as never allowing one's interlocutor to finish a thought, are what we face every day in getting out our message - across media channels, in our living rooms, and certainly on campaign trails.

The truth is that we simply do not know, none of us, how to speak against people like Bannon, who have a few simple talking points and habitually never allow the one with whom they are arguing to finish a thought. They stick to these points and simply talk over us.

I say US.

I meant US.

WE.

It isn't just Maher, and Bannon is already legitimized with around fifty to sixty million Americans. On Maher, he simply demonstrated what Republicans have ALL been coached to do. Stick to the points and talk over your opponent. Over and over and over. Lee Atwater. Karl Rove. Bannon.

And make no mistake. Bannon is a Nazi. His policy positions are straight from Storm Front.

You say Maher got owned. You say it was pathetic. You say Maher was wrong to have him on because it 'legitimizes' him.

I say that Maher had him on to demonstrate to us all what we're up against. We all, at least on this site, try and put up a good front - oh, we're going to go blue no matter who in November.

And so we should.

But then what? Because if we don't, as a group, find some communication strategy that cripples the talking points and allows us to get a word in edgewise, the entire right wing noise machine will survive the election, even if we paint the whole country blue.

I have some ideas, beginning with the hammering out of a new Fairness Doctrine, and enforcing net neutrality. But even if you disagree with me here, you must see we must find a way to prevail in these kinds of arguments. Because Bannon is only one of MANY on the right who can do this and does it regularly - to reporters, to comedy show hosts and yes, to us in our living rooms. My cousin did it to me a couple months ago.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
16. Your last paragraph -- I agree with everything.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 01:48 PM
Feb 2020

Last edited Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:28 PM - Edit history (1)

But not this part, because I didn't say anything but that Bannon ran roughshod over Maher. Others said this stuff:

You say Maher got owned. You say it was pathetic. You say Maher was wrong to have him on because it 'legitimizes' him.


As long as we don't wait for someone to save us, but work to do it for each other, we could come out of this Nazi horror on the other side by first winning the presidency AND the Senate, the latter being the more important of the two. If we lose, we've got antifa, youth groups, unions, minority orgs and some law enforcement like courts people in the ACLU, SPLC, CREW and others. So we're not some likely outsider loser demographic.

Thank you for your post!

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
22. Well, that's true. I stand corrected. I supposed I didn't make it quite clear that
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:41 PM
Feb 2020

I was replying pretty much to everyone on the thread.

But yeah, we ARE the majority. You are quite right for pointing that out. Bannon and the others do these techniques because they have to. Their arguments cannot stand up morally or economically. So they lie, cheat, talk loudly, interrupt and cleave to just a couple of lies they tell over and over. No doubt there.

flamingdem

(39,304 posts)
17. Good analysis
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 02:38 PM
Feb 2020

Still wrapping my head around that interview, it was scary but Bannon was giving hints too.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
24. Deeply touched by your post
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:00 PM
Feb 2020

I totally concur, Maher owned him, Bannon was acting like a coked up jock after the big game, complete tool spewing all his badly coached acting session lines. Maher has an intelligent audience, he is speaking to people who think like him or want to, and that leads me to this brilliant part of your post, crippling the talking points.

Short of going on TV and shouting FUCK OFF, how do we do that? I am serious.

PatrickforO

(14,516 posts)
25. Well, I think it will kind of an iterative process figuring that out. I'm not
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:03 PM
Feb 2020

sure I have an answer except that we need to constantly a) verse ourselves on what their talking points ARE, b) figure out good arguments against those points, and c) put those arguments in succinct 'talking point' form.

FDR was good at that. So was Kennedy. Martin Luther King Jr. was also good at it.

But this IS something we've got to figure out because the survival of our republic depends on it.

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
26. I love boxing, fencing and chess
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:13 PM
Feb 2020

A) understand their moves
B) outmaneuver them at their moves
C) Fucking win

pbmus

(12,418 posts)
29. The communication strategy must include an appeal to trumpers
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:40 PM
Feb 2020

that owning the judge and police aka; ‘escape from New York’ will not end well...

Snake is not going to save them from the Con...

Sucha NastyWoman

(2,725 posts)
12. I couldn't get through it
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 12:47 PM
Feb 2020

When Brannon starts fast talking and non-stop conversation dominance in lieu if reasonable argument it’s no longer a debate.


It may look like a debate, but it isn’t.

SergeStorms

(18,903 posts)
19. I turned to another channel....
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:15 PM
Feb 2020

when Bannon was on. I wasn't going to listen to that evil bastard's bullshit. I'm tiring of Maher as well. His Libertarian bullshit and giving these right-wing assholes air time is getting to my attitude. Maher seems to attack Democrats more than he does these right-wing turd blossoms.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
20. Or you could see it this way -- he helps us know their influencers better. Better to know your enemy
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 03:20 PM
Feb 2020

than to take a notion to an assault weapon battle. Orcs' ugliness and stank have to be faced head-on.

I think our literary Serge would come up with some creative ideas for taking these fuckers down. Like those Miami Dems filing ethical charges against Gaetz. Now that's the Serge spirit.

BigmanPigman

(51,432 posts)
23. I couldn't watch the whole interview and I tried.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 05:44 PM
Feb 2020

I got about 2/3 through and skipped it. Apparently, from what Bill said to Fareed, Bill was not enjoying it much either. I wish he would stop having quests that give me a heart attack.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
27. Good ratings?
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 10:20 PM
Feb 2020

Good ratings and controversial attention for Bill! He's a good performer and a smart showman.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
30. Cable isn't subject to commercial TV ratings contests. HBO has over 500 million viewers in the U.S.
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:03 PM
Feb 2020

Last edited Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)

as it stands. So their interest in Maher shows their attention to the political issues Maher brings up every single week. Viewers get acquainted with names of more Democrats and liberals than Republicans and conservatives. This Bannon interview was one of the couple of Republican influencers he invites on his show per season, which is now changed to a year-round show.

He's smart on lots of levels. He's also out to afflict the comfortable. When Bannon went hard, though, it was notable that Maher showed defensiveness, as he got a rough up lesson in the take-charge style of Republican politics that cares only for power and winning. Bannon's words displayed why that party is throwing the Constitution under the history bus.

The fact that HBO has established channels in various countries worldwide including Brazil, Canada, Eastern Europe, India, Mexico, Pakistan, the Caribbean, and Southeast Asia, and has on-demand in over 20 countries, including Russia, shows that the world gets exposed to our issues through our own Democratic influencer.

Maher knows that his show has a larger audience than rated cable news stations.

And the show is impressive for another reason. It's LIVE, not taped.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. I watched the stupid ass. He and trump share a make up artist,
Sat Feb 8, 2020, 11:42 PM
Feb 2020

among other things, who doesn’t like them.

Anyone who is swayed by these losers or finds them legimized, ain’t gonna vote our way. I bet Bannon is officially back on trump’s campaign by summer.

ancianita

(35,816 posts)
33. As an operative
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 12:13 AM
Feb 2020

he's probably already been on the campaign, just out of monitoring or jurisdictional reach while in the EU. He's been busy building conservative "nationalist" parties and orgs over there.

In October 2019, Bannon began co-hosting War Room: Impeachment a daily radio show and podcast to nudge the White House and its allies into taking a more focused and aggressive posture to counteract the Impeachment inquiry against Donald Trump. [176]

In November 2019, Bannon was compelled to testify in the trial of Roger Stone. Bannon testified that Stone was the wikileaks access point for the Trump campaign, to establish that Stone lied to Congress. Stone was subsequently convicted on all charges.[177][178]

Bannon told journalist Michael Lewis in February 2018, "We got elected on Drain the Swamp, Lock Her Up, Build a Wall. This was pure anger. Anger and fear is what gets people to the polls." He added, "The Democrats don't matter. The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

Now that executive and DOJ obstruction has blown the door open on constitutional limits, who knows what election subversions they'll try. Formally disavowing Bannon in media never, ever means that IF45 won't keep Bannon working for him.

Bannon, Barr, McConnell, Roberts -- 45's four horsemen in 2020

rockfordfile

(8,682 posts)
35. It makes Maher look petty. Having a fascist pos on. That got kicked out of Italy
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:10 PM
Feb 2020

That got kicked out of trying to create a fascist group. Remember right-wing fascist that murder thousands of Americans and Italians.

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