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It is now time for the U.S. Military to Remove Donald Trump and have Congress Invoke the 25th (Original Post) magicguido Apr 2020 OP
The military can't invoke the 25th. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #1
Moore is an idiot but I didn't realize he was *that* ignorant. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #4
That's not how it works. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #2
The only recourse is impeachment. getagrip_already Apr 2020 #3
No, the only recourse is voting him out in November. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #5
What you are talking about is SCantiGOP Apr 2020 #6
I was going to say this Dan Apr 2020 #7
Michael Moore is not a smart man if he lacks such a basic understanding The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2020 #8
Smiling... Dan Apr 2020 #9
NOOOOOOO! TomSlick Apr 2020 #10
+1 markpkessinger Apr 2020 #12
no to the first, yes to the second eShirl Apr 2020 #11
If by the second, you mean Congress should invoke the 25th Amendment . . . markpkessinger Apr 2020 #13

TwilightZone

(25,429 posts)
1. The military can't invoke the 25th.
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 09:30 PM
Apr 2020

Please tell me Michael Moore really didn't say they could. I'm not going to listen to 37 minutes to find out.

It requires Pence and either half of Trump's cabinet or 2/3 of the Senate and 2/3 of the House.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,610 posts)
2. That's not how it works.
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 09:33 PM
Apr 2020

The military has nothing to do with the 25th Amendment.

Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.


And when did a military coup become a good idea?

getagrip_already

(14,647 posts)
3. The only recourse is impeachment.
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 09:37 PM
Apr 2020

The 25th amendment requires pence and a majority of trump's cabinet to agree, AND it requires a 2/3 vote in both houses.

Impeachment only needs a majority in the house and 2/3 in the Senate.

The only role the military has is to stand the f out of the way.

TwilightZone

(25,429 posts)
5. No, the only recourse is voting him out in November.
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 09:55 PM
Apr 2020

Impeachment isn't going to happen, and if it did, the Senate would just acquit him again.

It would also be politically idiotic to pursue it in the middle of a pandemic.

SCantiGOP

(13,866 posts)
6. What you are talking about is
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:01 PM
Apr 2020

Treason, possible anarchy and civil war, and the end of the 240 year American Republic.

And, probably an authoritarian government to replace what we have now.

Dan

(3,539 posts)
7. I was going to say this
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:19 PM
Apr 2020

Maybe when he was saying the U.S. Military, he was implying a .25 but decided that would not be appropriate. But then Michael Moore is a smart man so maybe he was just mistaken in understanding how our government works.

Dan

(3,539 posts)
9. Smiling...
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:42 PM
Apr 2020

But I think he does have a pretty good handle on how the blue-collar white boys think. No disrespect intended.

TomSlick

(11,092 posts)
10. NOOOOOOO!
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 11:16 PM
Apr 2020

The last thing we want is the military deposing a President - ever - under any circumstances.

A military coop is the end of the Republic from day one.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
13. If by the second, you mean Congress should invoke the 25th Amendment . . .
Wed Apr 8, 2020, 07:37 AM
Apr 2020

. . . Congress is not empowered to do so. As noted above, that would have to be initiated by Pence, and would require the support of 2/3 of Trump's cabinet.

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