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Even John McCain, loyal FoxNews fan is starting to tire of Fox News' inability to handle the truth, especially when it comes to reasonable Republicans who are telling it.
Noting what Hannity and people on FoxNews said of the Libyans was wrong, in that they said -- 'Let's not help these people', he further goes on to establish that a democratic government was, indeed, put into place by the vote of the people after the election. 'They had an election, and they elected moderates!'
'A democratic, non Islamic government was elected,' notes John McCain.
FoxNews can't handle dissention within the ranks, and slowly but surely, they are getting a ton of dissention from all manner of Republicans who are refusing to play by the slanted rules of their games. Telling the truth? Forget it, you'll be cut off and you won't be able to finish.
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)Chris Wallace shuts down Gretchen Carlson on Romney's ineptitude of handling the Libyan issue
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/14/chris-wallace-gretchen-carlson-mitt-romney-libya-attack_n_1885277.html
I wonder if a network (a real news network) is going to finally get Chris to jump ship to a real news show and put any micro speck of fairness at Fox out the window. He's about all they have left!
Submariner
(12,497 posts)it's staffed with the losers from the other cable and broadcast networks, so I can't think of anyone that would hire Chris or the other Fox dorks. They are at the bottom of the barrel where they belong.
Indpndnt
(2,391 posts)And say what they're scripted to say. They believe they have a job with Faux to fall back on when their constituents finally wise up.
gordianot
(15,232 posts)Romney should not back down in his original statement regarding Islamist violence. It is quite possible he made other statements. Chris Wallace is where he is due to Daddy's reputation. He is where he belongs.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)As a democrat, it is so easy to se why McCain is a more honorable person and was a better candidate that the loonies who are running in the tea bag party today. I thank God, he picked Palin which helped Obama.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)He slipped into some pandering to the current GOTP idiots from time to time. In general, he does still seem to have a grasp on his personal honor
chuckstevens
(1,201 posts)In some respects I agree with you, but when it comes to President Obama, John McCain still comes across as a cranky old man and a sore loser to boot!
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)My remarks about John McCain are only in comparison to his fellow Republicans these days. I'm in no way a supporter of Sen. McCain, but I still think he's hung on to some shreds of honesty. I still admire his defense of Obama to the woman who ignorantly defined him in the last election. (Compared to the smarmy reaction more recently of Santorum). He was quick to disagree with Romney's reaction just now. I'm only comparing the comparatively old gentlemen to the sad state of present Republican party.
marble falls
(56,996 posts)bjobotts
(9,141 posts)That guy has sucked the government tit all his life and is an extreme opportunist who is not bright at all. He's always been surrounded by media darlings who keep his fable alive but under scrutiny he is a phony out to enrich himself...and always has been. Next you'll be saying Graham and the third member of the famed war trio are decent republicans also. don't fall for the hype as his rep is undeserved...totally.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)olegramps
(8,200 posts)He is nothing more that a typical privileged brat like Bush. He got into Annapolis because his father and grandfather were admirals. He appears that he would have been kicked out if his father hadn't interceded and at best he graduated at the bottom of his class. A man without integrity who when he returned home, dumped his wife when he discovered she was crippled in an accident. Sorry , but I don' t have much admiration for him.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Meandering1
(36 posts)In the land of the blind the one eyed man rules. In the case of John McCain his remaining eye has astigmatism and is half swollen shut.
He's always been against a woman's right to choose. I've always considered him an anti environmentalist.
In his supposed Vietnam War hero days he crashed some three planes. One of which caught fire and killed a rescue worker while he casually sauntered off to the bar.
"Crash McCain" is what they called him. Were it not for family connections, his pa was a Navy Admiral he would have been been shipped out after a court martial. I consider him an opportunist. Another rich man's son who never really had to work a day in his life.
marble falls
(56,996 posts)A look at John McCains environmental platform and record
By Grist staff
Updated 22 Aug 2008
John McCain
John McCain has a mixed record on the environment, but hes long been outspoken about global warming. He introduced the first major bill in the Senate to address it: the Climate Stewardship Act of 2003, cosponsored with Joe Lieberman. In May 2008, he unveiled a new plan for tackling the problem, a cap-and-trade system with a series of targets for gradually reducing carbon emissions to 60 percent below 1990 levels by the year 2050. The plan would give away many pollution credits instead of auctioning them off, and would give polluting entities expansive leeway to buy carbon offsets instead of reducing their own emissions. McCain used to oppose ethanol subsidies, but upon launching his current presidential campaign, he has changed his tune. He also changed his position on offshore drilling (but he still opposes drilling in the Arctic Refuge). McCain wants to build 45 new nuclear power plants by 2030 and spend big on clean coal technology; he also expresses support for wind, solar, and other renewables, but doesnt believe they need government assistance. The League of Conservation Voters endorsed McCain in his 2004 Senate campaign, despite the fact that hes gotten low voting scores from the group over the years (including a zero for 2007); McCains lifetime LCV score is 24 percent. (This year, LCV endorsed Obama.)
Read an interview with John McCain by Grist and Outside.
Key Points
Has said global warming would be one of three key issues for his presidency.
His cap-and-trade plan for fighting climate change calls for gradual reductions in U.S. greenhouse-gas emissions from utilities, transportation fuels, and large businesses, with a target of cutting emissions to 1990 levels by 2020, and 60 percent below 1990 levels by 2050.
Cosponsored the first bill in the Senate calling for mandatory reductions of greenhouse-gas emissions, in 2003. The 2007 version, the Climate Stewardship and Innovation Act, is less stringent than many other climate bills currently in Congress. It would cap global-warming emissions from utilities, industry, and transport at 2004 levels by 2012 and then gradually decrease emissions to about 30 percent of 2004 levels by 2050.
Has been an outspoken critic of the Bush administrations lack of action against climate change.
Believes the U.S. should embrace nuclear power as a way to generate energy without directly producing greenhouse-gas emissions. His climate plan would take some of the money raised from auctioning emission allowances and make it available for nuclear power R&D.
In April 2008, began advocating for a summer gas-tax holiday to ease consumer prices at the pump. The proposal would suspend the 18-cent federal gasoline tax and 24-cent diesel tax from Memorial Day to Labor Day and cost the government some $10 billion.
Wants to find a way to use our coal resources without emitting excessive greenhouse gases, and supports public-private partnerships to develop high-tech systems for coal gasification and carbon capture and storage.
Used to criticize ethanol; now lauds ethanol, but still opposes government subsidies for it.
Has opposed drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.
Has been endorsed by Republicans for Environmental Protection for his climate policies.
Meandering1
(36 posts)I'm pretty strict there. Score less than 70% and I'm pissed. I believe that John McCain hovers at or below 60%.
And a 60 is failing in school. An elected leader has to score in John Kerry or Barbara Boxer 90% territory to gain my respect. Even more than a few Democrats don't meet w/my approval from their scores.
marble falls
(56,996 posts)nuclear power - http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6172217
http://www.ecolo.org/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmentalists_for_Nuclear_Energy
Personalty I think nuclear power is more dangerous than a nuclear weapon stoclpile.
Meandering1
(36 posts)"Enviros For Nuclear"?
Kind of reminds me of that faux group from olden days known as "Democrats For Nixon"...
When judging McCain or anyone I gotta see at least a 70% lifetime favorability score from LCV. Don't see it? I may not vote for any candidate in the ring.
marble falls
(56,996 posts)maddiemom
(5,106 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)I don't agree with the fellah on much of anything, and I didn't care for his conduct in his post HH days, even before he left USN to run for Congress, but I do think that his incarceration earned him a few points.
SkyDaddy7
(6,045 posts)I would have agreed with you in 2000 when McCain was still John McCain...However, he too went off the deep end when he ran for POTUS in 2008! All to try and appeal to the NUTS that control the GOP! And the many things McCain did & all the flip flops he performed ended the respect I once had for him. Not to mention he allowed his pet Palin to run around calling Obama a terrorist which is why the GOP to this day claims he sides with terrorist!
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)minus the honorable part.
But much the same in that I think he is actually more moderate underneath it all. After all his earlier positions were pro-choice and he also brought in Obamac.....er......Romneycare to his own state.
Both were forced to veer sharply to the right by the GOP in their positions as well as their choice in a running mate in order to get the bagger bigots out to vote.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)The issue is that he is a spineless panderer who really has no serious beliefs and positions, but will go with whatever will get him elected. He'd obviously rather avoid taking any particular positions which might cost him votes (unless they might gain him votes...but wait, it gets confusing). He just seems to feel that he's owed being president. As a CEO in business, he expects to get the same reaction as a potential national leader from voters that he did from his employees in business. As a cooperate wife for quite a while, I see this CEO mentality in Romney. There are some good CEOs, but Romney looks like one of the bad ones.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)mykpart
(3,879 posts)when he is allowed to be himself and say what he really thinks. The grumpy old man stuff may be the beginnings of dementia. But I do think he is an honorable man. And I think his handlers in 2008 misrepresented Sarah Palin to him.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,164 posts)Love hearing Hannity blubber in frustration trying to cut off McCain telling him he was wrong. He doesn't have the balls to actually shout him down like he would with a Democrat, so its a half hearted "ubabababababababa"
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)....he'll get all "Mavricky" on them...
Cha
(296,778 posts)never know when McCain will get all Mavricky..lol
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)The man has integrity. He is one of the last GOP representatives that actually stands for conservative views the GOP once had. The GOP today is an extremist group of idiots. The American people will never go for what is out there now.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)JohnnyRingo
(18,614 posts)He's far worse than O'Reilly, World Net Daily, and Free Republic all wrapped into one.
Anyone who watches his show and thinks they know anything about world affairs is deluded. He literally makes things up daily to paint republicans in favorable light. Lacking the resources to do so, he'll make up things to discredit Dems.
I know I'm biased, and people on Fox are biased, but Hannity is a woeful disgrace even among political hacks.
NoMoreWarNow
(1,259 posts)let's not forget Limbaugh for instance.
But Hannity is certainly one of the most shameless propagandists and soulless hacks they have.
maddiemom
(5,106 posts)Between him and Limbaugh it's a tossup who's worse. Limbaugh is often in an unreasonable rant, but Hannity tries to sound like a "real" news guy while he's making things up.
JohnnyRingo
(18,614 posts)When someone listens to AM radio (I think) they know it's opinion, but Hannity masquerades as news. It's sad when I hear someone making statements I know they heard on "Hannity's America" because they think they have facts and seem completely surprised, even in disbelief there's an alternate universe where events played out differently.
I'll never forget, when he still employed Alan Colmes and the second round of Bush tax cuts were on the table. For two solid weeks, Hannity pounded home the statement that: "93 million taxpayers would see a $1500 discount on their taxes". Though others like Colmes and Robert Reich would correct him each time by pointing out he was citing an average figure that left little for the middle earners, Hannity would pick up again the next day as if he was either deaf or amnesiac.
It wasn't long before the show became a solo act with no distractions from his focus to deceive the willing public. I hope he rots in Hell.
on edit:
I'm guessing John McCain will now go the way of Alan Colmes and not be invited back. Did you notice in the video when Hannity was told he was wrong, he simply interjected that he wasn't? That's Hannity's America.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)The list was Democrats, liberals and progressives. It was complete 1984-style propaganda and just like the film version. Exact. Between O'Reilly, Rush and Hannity, they have played out almost every brainwashing scene over the last decade. And it's transformed otherwise open-minded Americans into a hateful, unthinking cult with no sign of breaking free anytime soon.
LiveNudePolitics
(285 posts)Unsubstantiated crazy talk is now accepted and tolerated in the media and our social interactions. That's why it is more important than ever for our elected officials to curb the media when confronted with out right lies. Just happy that one had the "Brass" to call out one of Fox News misinformation disseminators, for more of his absurd allegations about the riots and violence in Libya.
Cha
(296,778 posts)what all Mavericky McCain had to say!
ejbr
(5,856 posts)"Before we begin, is there anything that I laid out or said that was inaccurate or wrong that you would like to correct me on?"
SunDrop23
(2,109 posts)Sean getting schooled again.
imanamerican63
(13,725 posts)AsahinaKimi
(20,776 posts)He is too self absorbed and arrogant to let that happen.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)And getting smacked down by a gezzer Senator? That has to hurt.
AnnieBW
(10,409 posts)He'd better get a Kool-Aid IV to get him back on the path.
j3161usa
(44 posts)Why do people even watch this fraud of a news network. I don't watch it! By not watching it, i don't get upset and yell at the TV. Lets face it, you cant even complain to anybody on the network cause theres no one there who would listen. There are many other news outlets that actually report the news utilizing objective, journalism. I JUST DON'T WATCH FOX, FOR THE CONSERVATIVE, NEWS!
JI7
(89,239 posts)he is too much of a warmonger in that he thinks we should support anyone. his intentions might be good but he doesn't consider the results.
at least he isn't a chickenhawk.
Beartracks
(12,795 posts)The eternal spin of the rightwing mind.
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SemperEadem
(8,053 posts)because whatever it is you think, it is wrong. It is wrong before you finish conjuring it up in your reptile brain and is even more wrong when you draw breath and form your mouth to speak.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)elbloggoZY27
(283 posts)Thanks for this piece Senator McCain for your Military Service and I was a Sailor on the USS Constitution CVA-64 who passed the USS Forestall on our way to Yankee Station in 1967 after that horrible flight deck accident.
Your comments on the Hannity Show are very correct.
vicar
(2 posts)Why is it when they speak the truth to each other they kill the messenger?
big lu
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