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pwb

(11,246 posts)
1. Building water pipe lines in the infrastructure bill
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 01:54 PM
Jun 2021

may change some votes in favor. Up north we still get rain and our lakes and rivers run wasted into the ocean. let's round up that water for us all?

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
5. River water is salt water. It's an important part of our ecological system.
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 09:51 PM
Jun 2021

This focuses on San Francisco bay, but the same principles apply wherever rivers flow into the oceans.

https://www.ppic.org/blog/myth-water-wasted-sea/

A common lament is that water is wasted when it flows out to the sea rather than put to use irrigating crops or supplying water to cities. But when rivers flow to the sea the water brings benefits to people and ecosystems that are rarely acknowledged. We asked Jim Cloern―a scientist with the US Geological Survey and a member of the PPIC Water Policy Center research network—to explain.

photo of jim cloern
PPIC: What are some benefits that river’s provide when they make it to the sea?

Jim Cloern: Runoff from rivers brings many benefits to coastal communities, the Delta, and wetlands. For example, if you live in or around the Delta, river flows repel saltwater moving upstream. If the flow is too low, water in the Delta becomes too salty for growing crops or drinking.

Rivers also carry sediment, which is really important to the San Francisco Bay ecosystem, especially for sustaining tidal flats and marshes. We’ve invested hundreds of millions of dollars to convert salt ponds back to wetlands. Collectively, the restoration of wetlands in the Bay Delta is the largest such effort west of Rockies. We’ve breeched levees and seen these areas become colonized by wetland plants and transformed into habitats for birds and fish. The soils that form the base for these habitats have a natural inclination to sink and need continuous replenishment. Rivers also carry sand beyond the bay to the ocean, which is essential to keep California’s beaches intact. Without river sediment our beaches would disappear from natural erosion.

A third benefit is to the Bay-Delta. San Francisco Bay is an estuary that sustains plant and animal communities not found in other ecosystems. These communities are an important part of California’s remarkable biodiversity. We’ve learned from other estuaries around the world that these communities can disappear if river inflow falls below levels required to sustain them.

River flows also flush pollutants out of the bay. San Francisco Bay has been called an urbanized estuary. Sewage effluents, industries, and urban runoff carry nutrients, toxic pollutants, pharmaceuticals, and micro-plastics into the bay. Large river flows like we’ve seen this year dilute and carry those contaminants out of the bay.

SNIP

pwb

(11,246 posts)
6. The Hudson River frontage I own is fresh water.
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 10:48 PM
Jun 2021

And is potable. Mountain streams run into the rivers and lakes. It is fresh and drinkable until it reaches the ocean was my point. Yeah I knew that about rivers already.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
7. And my point is that water that runs from rivers into the ocean isn't "wasted."
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 11:50 PM
Jun 2021

Unless you think fish and other aquatic life are dispensable.

pwb

(11,246 posts)
8. You said river water is salt water? The post was about drought.
Sat Jun 19, 2021, 10:20 AM
Jun 2021

Last I checked it does not rain salt water. You cant water crops with salt water. Now you are changing the subject with one word. Wasted? The water is wasted for drinking no matter how you try and correct.

Warpy

(111,135 posts)
2. Firefighters had trouble fighting a fire 30 miles south of me in NM
Fri Jun 18, 2021, 02:36 PM
Jun 2021

because the Rio Grande is down to sand bars and puddles.

This is extreme, folks.

mopinko

(69,990 posts)
9. great lakes getting hit, too.
Sat Jun 19, 2021, 10:45 AM
Jun 2021

there is a pink blob right where my lil farm is.

this is year 9, and our 3rd yr of drought, including last year. i.got.my.ass.kicked.last.year.

and it's hard to sit down so far this year. my starts are requiring daily watering. that's not normal.
my soil is parched. it feels like august here.

i'm at the south end of lake mich. sooooo many storms these days hit that lake air mass, and bounce right over me. storms OFF the lake are rare as unicorns.
have yet to have a 2" rain. even 1" is rare so far. just like last year.

thank ja we got decent snow.

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