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MSNBCs Ari Melber and Nicolle Wallace discuss the U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. Wallace points out that most Americans agree with Bidens decision, despite many DC insiders condemning the move. Aired on 08/19/2021.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,455 posts)and legitimize this monstrosity. The best anti-Republicans in our lives.
MustLoveBeagles
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(297,154 posts)halfulglas
(1,654 posts)I love the way she has stood up for Biden during this Afghanistan thing as much as or more than almost everyone. I know it's a mess and as Lawrence says, it was always going to be a mess. Nobody mentions how bad it looked when Russia was withdrawing from Afghanistan. Who would have thought that Nicolle sounds like a better Democrat right now than many of the Democrats in Congress. Now somehow they have to get absolutely anybody out who wants out out. Those without their papers can wait for their papers in Guam. Immigrant families make great citizens.
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)She's smart, informed and well spoken and totally gets it. And I agree with Lawrence, too, things were never going to go well there no matter what we did. And I have thought about the Russian debacle there as well - when are we going to start learning from history?? I also remember that Jimmy Carter boycotted the 1980 Moscow Olympics because of the Soviet invasion.
As for immigrants, who among us doesn't come from immigrants?? On one side of my family it was grandparents and on the other it was great grandparents - and not only did they make good lives here, but either they, their children or their grandchildren served. I have two cousins who are graduates of West Point.
halfulglas
(1,654 posts)My grandfather on my mother's side came from Germany, worked on a ship to get here. They married into second generation. In our families education was stressed, respect for the teachers because they wanted their kids to be educated and be good Americans.
My comment, though, about the Afghans coming with their kids is noticing the industriousness of the Somalis, the Haitians and Indians seem to be even quicker about starting their own businesses, etc. than our grandparents were. When you go into their neighborhoods and eat in their restaurants they are so vibrant and bring so much newness (dumb word, I know). Of course, this is what the white nationalists are so afraid of. They think our culture should stay in the 1950s or 1960s. I want to tell them, "Don't be so afraid. Come on in. The water's fine."
Rhiannon12866
(205,237 posts)Both of my grandparents on my mother's side came from Poland as teenagers - my grandmother was 15 and the eldest in her family. She came with a friend, stayed with relatives here, initially got a job in a factory and sent money and clothing home to her family in Poland for the rest of her life. She lived to 80.
And my maternal grandfather also came from Poland, coincidentally only 2 months from my grandmother's journey. He was 18 and was eventually made a citizen, drafted and sent to France to serve his new country in WWI.
They eventually met and married here and had 2 daughters. My mother was the eldest and was smart enough to receive a full scholarship to college. She said that her father cried. And after initially working in factories, they started a small grocery and took great pride in providing food for their neighbors during WWII rationing.
I never met my grandfather, he died at 52, but I did know my grandmother and remember that store well. She ran it on her own for many years after my grandfather's death.
And that's the thing, as you said. Immigrants make excellent citizens since they're hardworking and smart - and they're big on educating their kids. They're grateful to be here which is not always the case with those who were born here.
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