The "Big Lie" and the dangers of denying election results - CBS Sunday Morning

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Baseless allegations of election fraud amplified by President Donald Trump fueled the violent siege on the Capitol last January 6, intended to stop the Electoral College certification of Joe Biden's victory. Fallout from conspiracy theories has included death threats and harassment directed toward election officials. CBS News chief Washington correspondent Major Garrett talks with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger (whom Trump tried to pressure to "find" enough votes that would win him the state), and with other officials who fear denying the results of elections is chipping away at the integrity of our democracy. Aired on 01/02/2022.

[NJCher]

1. I'm so glad you posted this

I saw this on the program Sunday a.m. and thought it very relevant to discussions here.

I tried posting it tonight but I had a cat climbing all over me, then sleeping on my lap, then on my shoulder, and it just didn't get done.

There's another poll that appeared that was on Face the Nation. I'm trying to find that one. It's very interesting, too. If I read it right, it was rather encouraging for proponents of democracy. It also had some surprises, too.

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on edit: there was other research where some guy put up charts and explained them. It was after this segment. I am going to try to find them.

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2. Well, you're lucky you have a lap cat, my cat will only lie next to me

I found him as a kitten in a supermarket parking lot, but that was in 2014.

I'll take another look at Face the Nation, they do a good job and usually have some relevant guests. But I used to be responsible for the CBS newspaper listings and when I'd call to see who was on, the publicists were very unfriendly.

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7. awww

I'm glad you found him and gave him a good home. Is he one the kitty in your sig?

I just got this kitty a few months ago. He came from a situation where he lived in a home with a lot of pets, so I don't think he got a lot of attention. There was a divorce and he was out of a home. I got him from a shelter, a really nice one where he was well cared for health-wise.

In fact, he kind of acted oblivious to getting attention from me. It was like he didn't know what it was like to get much human time or affection devoted all to him.

But around here I interact with him all day long. I mostly work from home, and right now my spouse is traveling a lot for work. So it's just me 'n him and lots of guests and neighbors dropping by, who also love animals and interact with him. They bring him toys and treats. I feed him what he likes plus new types of cat food which he is learning to like.

When he lies on the bed in the day, I stop by and stroke his paws a few times. Also give him skritches. Recently he's started jumping on my lap in the evenings and he does the sweetest thing: he takes his paw and strokes my hand.

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9. Awww! I love to hear stories like yours.

It's totally beyond me how anyone could possibly give up a pet. All my pets but the dog I grew up with have been rescue. My dog is 15 and is sleeping right next to me and I've had him since he was 5 months old, a pet shop rescue. My cat took to napping in a box that I didn't dare move, so for Christmas I got him this kind of kitty igloo with a pillow inside and that's where he is at the moment.

Here's Felix, he's grown into a beautiful cat:

[NJCher]

10. LOL

"don't dare move."

Felix is a beauty. I get vibes that he's very smart. Is he?

I have had four black cats over the years. Two were sisters.

Well, it wasn't exactly as if this couple gave up their pets. What the situation was is that Oliver, now my kitty, was found as a stray by a very kind woman who took him to the neighborhood place where the people were suckers for animals. So they had a lot of them. I mean a lot! Then down the road, they got a divorce and had all these animals, so many of them had to go to the pet shelter in that town. My Ollie was one who went to the shelter.

But it was OK. This shelter is really nice. In fact, it's an animal campus. There is a "cattery," and a separate building for the dogs, too. There are lots and lots of volunteers who truly seem to enjoy their time with the animals. They have other buildings where they do training for animals, all sorts of things. Even a gift shop!

I think he had it pretty good there, but I don't think he ever experienced the kind of love and attention he's getting now.

So yeah, so far it's a story with a happy ending.

oh and p.s.

I've never had a ginger colored cat. I can't think what they call them. He looks like Garfield.

After I adopted him, I started finding all these cat pictures, art objects, jewelry, etc., of cats that look just like him. I found these items in closets I was cleaning out, in my jewelry box, in storage, etc.

I think it's funny that I collected all those images that look like him and then finally, he comes along as a real cat.

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11. Awww, I'm so glad that Ollie found you!

And yes, Felix is very smart. When I saw him in the supermarket parking lot one night on my way home, I knew I couldn't just leave him there, they were doing construction - but he was extremely hard to catch. he really seemed to know his way around there. I don't think I would have managed without the help of a guy who worked in the store and his wife who came to pick him up. He had gloves and she had a basket, but it was still really tough, and my vet said he was only about 7 weeks old!

And I have had 4 cats in my life, three have been black. The first I adopted when my uncle died and the second was one who got away from a neighbor who moved, and that one wasn't easy to catch, either!

But until recently my housemate had two cats, both orange brothers, and Felix would attack them. At first I worried because he was a kitten, but he's grown up into one very large cat. So I put up a gate and I was in the back of the house with Felix and my dog, but the second brother passed away at 14 about a month ago, so now Felix has the run of the house and is still getting used to it.

Here are the brothers, Tom and Huck:

[Rhiannon12866]

3. Okay, is this the poll you saw?

CBS News poll: 68% of Americans see January 6 as harbinger of increasing violence - Face the Nation
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017702609

[NJCher]

5. That's it!

I posted my reply below before I saw your post.

I'll just leave it since it has some comments from me about the poll's findings.

[NJCher]

4. Found it!

Here's the link:

https://news.yahoo.com/cbs-news-poll-68-americans-172236100.html

It's in a little video off to the right. Anthony Salvanto, CBS's Director of Elections, explains the findings.

There's a lot there. I wish we could get the individual screens and post them here.

The overwhelming majority of people do not condone the violence.

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6. I agree, this is scary as hell!

And there are still some out there who believe those thousands were liberals "pretending" to be TFG supporters?! So why they show up when he called for his supporters to show up and why did he say he "loved" them??

[NJCher]

8. hahah

Logic is not their strong suit.

Actually, though, I thought a lot of the findings of the survey were rather encouraging. They certainly show that the American population does not support their insurrection nor does it support violence.