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MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:24 AM Mar 2018

Doesn't anyone just SING anymore?

We watched The Voice last night. They started what they call the "Battle Rounds." Two hours where the contestants compete one-on-one. I think we saw about one dozen contestants and all of them SCREAMED through their performances. If that's what's on the radio these days, it's no wonder I listen to NPR.

That probably makes me sound like an old fuddy-duddy.

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Doesn't anyone just SING anymore? (Original Post) MissMillie Mar 2018 OP
I agree with you... CatMor Mar 2018 #1
Yep, agree!!! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #2
I also agree. That isn't music, it's noise. Frustratedlady Mar 2018 #3
I saw a show on the Everly Brothers this weekend MissMillie Mar 2018 #5
My 15 year old grandson is learning guitar and loves music. He's taken all my old OregonBlue Mar 2018 #8
I like some hard rock too MissMillie Mar 2018 #13
I love hard rock. His dad is a guitarist and grew up on Cream and Iron Maiden, etc. Not that OregonBlue Mar 2018 #19
I watched that myself. I also got to see the Bee Gees concert recorded in 1989. More great harmony Arkansas Granny Mar 2018 #12
Amen Sister MissMillie Mar 2018 #14
Too many people associate the Bee Gees with disco, but they don't realize that they wrote Arkansas Granny Mar 2018 #16
was it Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey that catalyzed multi-warbling scream singing? NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #4
those 2 came to mind immediately MissMillie Mar 2018 #6
Go Bruins, by the way! Rask is a bit shaky, but they are exceeding my expecations NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #9
Ahhh...I think you're mistaken, at least about Whitney Houston. She had a... brush Mar 2018 #18
She had a beautiful voice MissMillie Mar 2018 #22
IMO most of that song was song softly and tastefully... brush Mar 2018 #23
"Most Valuable" in my HS chorus Senior year MissMillie Mar 2018 #34
I used to call Mariah Carey The Car Alarm Generic Brad Mar 2018 #20
and yet many love it and it started quite a trend - great thing about the arts... NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #21
TOTALLY CORRECT! MissMillie Mar 2018 #35
Absolutely agree! Freddie Mar 2018 #7
Here's an "imagine" MissMillie Mar 2018 #10
That screaming stuff is getting into commercials too. Irritating as all get out. shraby Mar 2018 #11
Yes, it certainly does. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2018 #15
Agree. Polly Hennessey Mar 2018 #17
Like Janice? progressoid Mar 2018 #24
I like Janis MissMillie Mar 2018 #32
Meh. Thats one hyper-commercialized Codeine Mar 2018 #25
It seems to depend on the genre of music you listen to... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #26
Are you a fan of Yes? MissMillie Mar 2018 #33
I am one of the biggest fans of Yes... Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #39
What I wish, dagnabbit, is that they'd cut back on the back up dancers and special effects Siwsan Mar 2018 #27
The 80's are gone, no one sings anymore SummerSnow Mar 2018 #28
yeah, adele is crap unblock Mar 2018 #30
She's good, but she is a rare breed considering today's singers SummerSnow Mar 2018 #31
she's a rare breed period. unblock Mar 2018 #37
good singing isn't about one particular technique. unblock Mar 2018 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Mar 2018 #36
the funny thing is OriginalGeek Mar 2018 #38
Above a couple people mention Everly Bros and BeeGees. Linda Ronstadt in an (?)80s interview mpcamb Mar 2018 #40
I agree. llmart Mar 2018 #41
Rachael Price of Lake Street Dive does caraher Mar 2018 #42

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
1. I agree with you...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:30 AM
Mar 2018

I hate the screaming instead of just singing. I don't think you're a old fuddy-duddy and neither am I

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
3. I also agree. That isn't music, it's noise.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:33 AM
Mar 2018

I'm old! But, it's too bad they missed the 50-60s when even the crazy toons had words that told a story/had a point.

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
5. I saw a show on the Everly Brothers this weekend
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:46 AM
Mar 2018

It was on PBS. My guy quit doing his chores so he could come and watch. Such beautiful harmonies.

I'm in my 50s, but have older siblings--and of course my parents--who introduced to a variety of wonderful voices.

I don't care for country music, but I could listen to Patsy Cline forever. Such a rich tone.

Roy Orbison, Johnny Mathis, Joni Mitchell, Karen Carpenter..... No screaming.

I'll even take it into things more recent... Shawn Colvin, Aimee Mann, Elton John, Billy Joel.

I'll also admit that I used to spend a lot of time driving the Mass Pike. The drivers on that road are enough to cause road rage... don't need a voice howling on the radio to set me off.

OregonBlue

(7,753 posts)
8. My 15 year old grandson is learning guitar and loves music. He's taken all my old
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:00 AM
Mar 2018

60's and 70's albums and got an old turntable. I just turned him on to the Every Brothers and he was blown away with their amazing voices. He of course like hard rock but he really thought the music was great. I will now start giving him more of that 50's great stuff. Turns out he is a true music lover and it doesn't matter what the genre, if it good it's good and they were great.

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
13. I like some hard rock too
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:17 AM
Mar 2018

But probably nothing new. Maybe from the 80s.

I love that your grandson has a turntable. I hear they are making a comeback.

OregonBlue

(7,753 posts)
19. I love hard rock. His dad is a guitarist and grew up on Cream and Iron Maiden, etc. Not that
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 11:11 AM
Mar 2018

I listen to it much any more but I still love the stuff. And yes, the kids seem to really like that scratchy old sound of the turntable. I have lots of old rock and old folk (Baez and Dylan and Emmy Lou) and lots of Doors and Pink Floyd and Van Morrison, etc. He likes all of it. I also have a number of classical albums of Beethoven and Mozart, etc. It is so great to turn him on to good music.

He is gonna be a true lover of it all and we are so proud of him.

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
14. Amen Sister
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:20 AM
Mar 2018

The Brothers Gibb got a bad rap.

But like the Everly Brothers, they sang great together because they had been doing it for their whole lives.

Arkansas Granny

(31,506 posts)
16. Too many people associate the Bee Gees with disco, but they don't realize that they wrote
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:29 AM
Mar 2018

so many songs, not just for themselves, but for other artists. Great talent.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
4. was it Whitney Houston or Mariah Carey that catalyzed multi-warbling scream singing?
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:33 AM
Mar 2018

Add a dash of autotune and you enter the realm of utterly unlistenable!

(it's a get off my lawn thing - just not my type of music, so I don't listen to it - but for those that love it, go for it!)

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
6. those 2 came to mind immediately
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:51 AM
Mar 2018

and if I never hear Jennifer Hudson's voice again, that would be too soon.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
9. Go Bruins, by the way! Rask is a bit shaky, but they are exceeding my expecations
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:03 AM
Mar 2018

I listen to them on TuneIn from 98.5 each evening from my Echo here in Raleigh!

brush

(53,737 posts)
18. Ahhh...I think you're mistaken, at least about Whitney Houston. She had a...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:59 AM
Mar 2018

once in a generation voice.

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
22. She had a beautiful voice
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:41 PM
Mar 2018

It's not always about the voice, it's about the style.

Whitney Houston DESTROYED "I will always love you."



I don't think that song was meant to be screamed through.

brush

(53,737 posts)
23. IMO most of that song was song softly and tastefully...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:54 PM
Mar 2018

with full voice used for dramatic emphasis.

Guess it's a matter of personal taste.

Are you a singer?

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
34. "Most Valuable" in my HS chorus Senior year
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 03:29 PM
Mar 2018

but that was a very long time ago.

I like to listen to music and find a harmony--even one that isn't being played in the song. I guess I just like harmonics.

I'm going to go back and listen ti Whitney, but I don't remember any harmonies when she was getting "dramatic."

I think I'd be a better singer if I had a better ear. Sometimes in the morning I go out for a smoke and I try to count how many different bird sounds I can distinguish. I certainly cannot name them all, but I try to count how many different ones I can hear. My failure may not be a hearing difficulty, but a cognitive issue.

Generic Brad

(14,272 posts)
20. I used to call Mariah Carey The Car Alarm
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:18 PM
Mar 2018

I know that it takes a lot of effort to sing loud, hit those high notes, and push it for all you're worth. But I get burned out on that rapidly. There is no variation - just full blast. It's like being subjected to an air horn in 4/4 time.

NRaleighLiberal

(60,006 posts)
21. and yet many love it and it started quite a trend - great thing about the arts...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 12:21 PM
Mar 2018

no right or wrong answers, but each of us can choose...and I chose to turn that sort of thing off immediately!

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
35. TOTALLY CORRECT!
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 03:54 PM
Mar 2018

It is a matter of of opinion.

I'm sure that when Elvis and the Beatles got their start, there were many like me who poo-pooed them.

I guess I'm just upset that I invested 2 hours into screaming.

Freddie

(9,256 posts)
7. Absolutely agree!
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 09:55 AM
Mar 2018

I can't watch those shows anymore, the over-emoting is over the top. Once one of them sang a "souled-up" version of "Imagine". NOOOOOO!!
And with auto-tune, *anyone* can "sing", as long as they have the right image. Get off my lawn.

Polly Hennessey

(6,785 posts)
17. Agree.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 10:32 AM
Mar 2018

How can screaming be pleasant for listening? Hate when they scream and warble (is that right?). Hold a note and make a word last for eternity.

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
32. I like Janis
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 03:19 PM
Mar 2018

I'm not sure I could listen to her for more than an hour or so.

I like Heart, Same story.

The TV show we watched last night was 2 hours of screaming. I actually used to drive 2 hours--one way, and then back.

I don't listen to it anymore.

A 3 minute or 4 minute song is something I have no problem with. In fact I like a lot of it as long as it's mixed in with some real singers.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
25. Meh. Thats one hyper-commercialized
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:05 PM
Mar 2018

genre of focus-tested bubblegum pop music. Oversouling is horrible and played out, but there are any number of skilled, talented vocalists with a more. . . subtle approach to singing.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
26. It seems to depend on the genre of music you listen to...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:30 PM
Mar 2018

my favorite has ALWAYS been prog rock and I cant think of very many who screamed. My current favorite is Steven Wilson. Nuff said.

MissMillie

(38,527 posts)
33. Are you a fan of Yes?
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 03:21 PM
Mar 2018

I am. But their album "Relayer" is something I have to do in doses. Once every couple of months or so.

Ferrets are Cool

(21,102 posts)
39. I am one of the biggest fans of Yes...
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 06:57 PM
Mar 2018

I have "most" of their albums...I can't say all because they put out a new one every two months.
To Be Over is a great song from Relayer, but my favorite version of The Gates of Delirium is from Symphonic Live. I can't count how many times that I've played that great live album.

Siwsan

(26,241 posts)
27. What I wish, dagnabbit, is that they'd cut back on the back up dancers and special effects
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:45 PM
Mar 2018

Nobody can be that active and not get out of breath. And when you are out of breath, you can't sing.

When ever there is that much going on, on stage, I question if it is an attempt to distract from lip syncing because they don't want you to really hear the "star" can't actually sing. I knew a guy who played in Britney Spear's back up band during that circus themed tour she did. I asked him about her talents. He said she can most definitely dance, but most definitely could not really even carry a tune.

Janice Joplin may have REALLY BELTED out her songs, but it was her voice and nothing more, and the most distracting thing on stage was probably her feather boa.

unblock

(52,114 posts)
37. she's a rare breed period.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 04:07 PM
Mar 2018

honestly i don't know how today's singers compare to other periods.

truth is, every decade since the 60s had its share of crap singers.

but we tend to forget about those and remember mostly the better acts at least, if not the better singers.

some of the showy stage performance acts are actually nevertheless good singers, like christina aguilera.

and then in the 80s we had acts like madonna, who was vastly better at "pushing the envelop" than actually singing....

unblock

(52,114 posts)
29. good singing isn't about one particular technique.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 01:57 PM
Mar 2018

it's about using technique to convey the right emotion.

at certain points in certain songs, full voice "screaming" works well.
at other points in other songs, a quieter touch is called for.

paul mccartney's "screaming" works great on a song like "long tall sally", but of course he brought it down for "yesterday".

Response to MissMillie (Original post)

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
38. the funny thing is
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 05:26 PM
Mar 2018

I listen to NPR every day on the way to and from work and I have been complaining about that very same thing since I first saw American Idol and I do NOT consider myself an old fuddy duddy BECAUSE I go almost exclusively to concerts that feature screaming/growling lead vocalists.

I guess it's great for metal but lousy for pop.

Very excited to be seeing these guys this Sunday

mpcamb

(2,868 posts)
40. Above a couple people mention Everly Bros and BeeGees. Linda Ronstadt in an (?)80s interview
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:18 PM
Mar 2018

talked about singing with siblings. Made me think of Carters, McGarrigles, Roches. There's something there- time/ear/voice- whatever- that so often comes out right.



lyrics: https://genius.com/Loudon-wainwright-iii-come-a-long-way-lyrics

llmart

(15,532 posts)
41. I agree.
Tue Mar 20, 2018, 07:57 PM
Mar 2018

Too much razzmatazz and emphasis on what they're wearing or how they conduct themselves on the stage. It's similar to how I feel about Dancing with the Stars. It started out great in Season 1 but then turned into a let's see how scantily clad the women can be and find the goofiest politician or older person to compete, etc. I stopped watching.

I've always been a big fan of the folk music of the 60's. Can't beat the harmonizing of Peter, Paul and Mary.

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