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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Sun May 27, 2018, 07:52 PM May 2018

Bands that flamed out after one or two spectacular albums. Discuss.

My first choice for this is always Quicksilver Messenger Service. The first two albums ( their self-titled debut and "Happy Trails" ) were time capsule-worthy examples of San Francisco / Summer of Love psychedelia.

The third, "Shady Grove," was OK. Not great, maybe not even that good, but OK.

Then founding member Dino Valenti got out of jail (he was busted for weed right before the band released its first album).

I always viewed him as a poor man's Marty Balin at best. The songs got shorter, John Cippolina's solos became shorter, Cippolina left, the band flamed out.

Your pick for bands that flamed out early?



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Bands that flamed out after one or two spectacular albums. Discuss. (Original Post) Miles Archer May 2018 OP
Cry of Love Urge For Going May 2018 #1
Dave Mason. OilemFirchen May 2018 #2
...and, Fleetwood Mac's "Time" in 2005. Miles Archer May 2018 #14
My list Lithos May 2018 #3
Boston ... Holy hell The Polack MSgt May 2018 #32
I still have a Moby Grape album. yonder May 2018 #40
Lol, they were '60's Lithos May 2018 #50
Stoneground ghostsinthemachine May 2018 #4
Boston Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #5
"Third Stage" was pretty good, too, though. dawg May 2018 #23
a-ha lapfog_1 May 2018 #6
Buffalo Springfield Mike Nelson May 2018 #7
Of course, both of those spun off -- dawg day May 2018 #11
Beautiful Day samnsara May 2018 #8
It's a Beautiful Day, the one with White Bird? I loved that one. nt yonder May 2018 #41
im saving that one on Alexa for those special 'party nights' samnsara May 2018 #9
Counting Crows? dawg day May 2018 #10
Six more albums after that Miles Archer May 2018 #13
The Australian band Men at Work. Nay May 2018 #12
Good choice. dawg May 2018 #22
Took the words out of my mouth. muntrv May 2018 #28
Colin Hay sing one of my favorite "loss" songs: mpcamb May 2018 #87
Judee Sill Bradshaw3 May 2018 #15
T Rex slowed down a bit the last couple of years TexasBushwhacker May 2018 #19
John Dawson Read greatauntoftriplets May 2018 #16
OMG, that one brings back some memories!! lastlib May 2018 #24
You're welcome. greatauntoftriplets May 2018 #25
Blind Faith garagedoor May 2018 #17
Good one! Had that until it dissapeared along with a room mate. nt yonder May 2018 #43
West, Bruce, and Laing Doc_Technical May 2018 #18
2/3 of a reunion in 1988 Miles Archer May 2018 #30
The Oneders TexasBushwhacker May 2018 #20
Mike Viola & Adam Schlesinger Miles Archer May 2018 #35
They really captured the sound of 60s pop TexasBushwhacker May 2018 #44
Jane's Addiction cemaphonic May 2018 #21
Quiet Riot. muntrv May 2018 #26
No Doubt pnwest May 2018 #27
After Smell the Glove Spinal Tap never the same. Sneederbunk May 2018 #29
2 words Miles Archer May 2018 #31
Smell the Glove was their last album jmowreader Jun 2018 #90
Starbuck Hugin May 2018 #33
Montrose The Polack MSgt May 2018 #34
Oh hell YES Miles Archer May 2018 #39
Thank you for the info The Polack MSgt May 2018 #62
Not as much "flamed out" as the "other" thing...but Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #36
Most of them BeyondGeography May 2018 #37
Eddie Kendrick and Bobby Brown. muntrv May 2018 #38
True. But Eddie will always have, 'Keep on Truckin.' Kahuna7 May 2018 #46
Shades of BT Express BeyondGeography May 2018 #49
Derek and the Dominos LiberalLoner May 2018 #42
West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band? yonder May 2018 #45
I love that album! Fiendish Thingy May 2018 #53
Thunderclap Newman. They might have had KPN May 2018 #47
First thought...Soul Asylum hibbing May 2018 #48
Quicksilver was country a bit too early. guillaumeb May 2018 #51
Ooh, that reminds me of another: Hearts and Flowers yonder May 2018 #55
Thank you for the suggestion. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #60
So just for fun, I dug up the Carole King version of Road to Nowhere. yonder May 2018 #63
The Like Fiendish Thingy May 2018 #52
That's a great song OriginalGeek May 2018 #73
Don't kill me, but Boston. (n/t) Iggo May 2018 #54
Mountain redstateblues May 2018 #56
Flying Burrito Bros. redstateblues May 2018 #58
yep yonder May 2018 #59
Does Alanis Morissette count as a band? oberliner May 2018 #57
I started the thread because I was listening to Quicksilver's "Happy Trails"... Miles Archer May 2018 #68
Gotcha oberliner May 2018 #69
Got one more: The Electric Prunes yonder May 2018 #61
Jimmie Spheeris...! lastlib May 2018 #64
The Outfield, and Big Country miyazaki May 2018 #65
I remember both bands very well Miles Archer May 2018 #67
Two I liked... Ohiya May 2018 #66
Guns n Roses. Codeine May 2018 #70
The Sex Pistols Henry Krinkle May 2018 #71
I listened to the final show live on San Francisco's KSAN Miles Archer May 2018 #72
Well damn. OriginalGeek May 2018 #74
The "God Save The Queen" single got me started... Miles Archer May 2018 #75
I'll probably get the CD for convenience OriginalGeek May 2018 #77
Only one answer to this one Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #76
Label issues TexasBushwhacker May 2018 #84
Detective ADX May 2018 #78
Scum of the Earth pintobean May 2018 #88
Yep!!! ADX May 2018 #89
The MC5. bif May 2018 #79
ELO RobinA May 2018 #80
They put out 11 albums in 15 years TexasBushwhacker May 2018 #85
Pearls Before Swine DFW May 2018 #81
The Left Banke DFW May 2018 #82
Wolverlei (nothing ever matched "Wind Tegen") DFW May 2018 #83
Single album. 2 really good songs and a lotta ok others. David and David. mpcamb May 2018 #86

Urge For Going

(18 posts)
1. Cry of Love
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:01 PM
May 2018
The album "Brother" (1993)



Unlike the power ballads and the grunge that was huge during '93, there was this band from North Carolina (I believe), who dropped this album, and it is really kick ass. They were along the lines of The Black Crowes, but sounded a lot like Bad Company. Only just a few years ago did I find out the album was recorded in 1993... my whole life I thought they were from 1973!

I guess they put out another album, very obscure, and then fizzled out. I read somewhere the lead singer had mental health issues, so the band broke up.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
14. ...and, Fleetwood Mac's "Time" in 2005.
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:58 PM
May 2018


Didn't chart in the U.S., highest position in the U.K. was #47.

Sold so poorly that they didn't tour behind it.

Two years later, the "Rumours" lineup reunited and all was well in their world again.

Mason locked himself into the Traffic / Alone Again sound early in his career, and that's all audiences ever wanted from him. He did have that late-career hit with "We Just Disagree," but no one really wanted to see him as a member of Fleetwood Mac, They wanted Buckingham and Nicks, and when they returned, fans started spending money again.

:toasto

yonder

(9,659 posts)
40. I still have a Moby Grape album.
Mon May 28, 2018, 08:20 PM
May 2018

It's an earlier edition of their debut album. The one where one of the guys was flipping the bird, before Columbia air-brushed it out and re-issued it. It's supposed to be worth more because of that. There are some okay songs on it: Omaha, 8:05, Sitting by the Window and Hey Grandma. They sure sound 60's though.

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
50. Lol, they were '60's
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:28 PM
May 2018

I think the debut album was 1967 and breakup was 1969. They were among the best that San Francisco put out around that time. However, they suffered bad management and record label issues and stalled.

Very fresh for 1967.

ghostsinthemachine

(3,569 posts)
4. Stoneground
Sun May 27, 2018, 08:26 PM
May 2018

Yeah, a hollywood band, brought together for a movie, rather thann organically like most of their contemporaries, they were still a great band. Lots of singers, including Beau Brummels vocalist Sal Valentino, Annie Sampson, Lynn Hughes and others. Tim Barnes is a great guitarist.

Their first two, and part of a third,outings were stellar. Then, poof, they were broken up. I still see Sal and Tim every so often, both live in Sacramento and Sal ised to play with native Jackie Greene.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
11. Of course, both of those spun off --
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:07 PM
May 2018

Cream, well, was a huge band which spun off a lesser one.
And Buffalo Springfield transmogrified into CSNY.

Best paranoid song ever:

samnsara

(17,606 posts)
9. im saving that one on Alexa for those special 'party nights'
Sun May 27, 2018, 09:52 PM
May 2018

...great tunes...thank you. I have never heard of them before.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
13. Six more albums after that
Sun May 27, 2018, 10:53 PM
May 2018

The most recent was in 2014. Also, their Website shows them booked solid on tour from June through September.

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
15. Judee Sill
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:15 PM
May 2018

An individual not a band and she died young. But to me she had one of the greatest albums of the 70s in Heart Food. Largely forgotten today and some won't like her use of orchestration or nasally-tinged voice, but a great songwiter and arranger. She led a very troubled life but was able to overcome up to a point and use those troubles in her music, employing religion and mysticism that will also annoy some but helped her come up with one of the most beautiful albums of a great decade of music.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judee_Sill

As for bands, I can add Kraftwerk, the Sex Pistols ad T Rex off the top of my head.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,148 posts)
19. T Rex slowed down a bit the last couple of years
Mon May 28, 2018, 12:45 AM
May 2018

But Mark Bolan dying in a car crash in 1987 caused the band's demise

garagedoor

(119 posts)
17. Blind Faith
Sun May 27, 2018, 11:53 PM
May 2018

With the stellar Steve Winwood, Eric Clapton, Ginger Baker and Ric Grech.

Also, add Traffic to the list.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
35. Mike Viola & Adam Schlesinger
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:54 PM
May 2018


The title song was written by Adam Schlesinger, the bassist for Fountains of Wayne, before Fountains of Wayne took off (the movie was released right before their first album). Here he is with Mike Viola (the actual singer of the song) performing the title track.

http://www.pajiba.com/seriously_random_lists/21-facts-about-tom-hanks-brilliant-timeless-that-thing-you-do-.php


TexasBushwhacker

(20,148 posts)
44. They really captured the sound of 60s pop
Mon May 28, 2018, 08:29 PM
May 2018

I was born in 1957 so I was a child of the 60s. I loved the movie. Steve Zahn did his own vocals for "Dance With Me Tonight".



I was in a grocery store one night a few months ago. The Muzak started playing TTYD. My 61 year old self almost started dancing in the wine aisle.


cemaphonic

(4,138 posts)
21. Jane's Addiction
Mon May 28, 2018, 03:19 PM
May 2018

They had a self-titled EP that was just OK, but their first two full albums were great. Then they self destructed, and other than the occasional short-lived reunion project, that was that.

Hugin

(33,059 posts)
33. Starbuck
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:50 PM
May 2018

"Moonlight Feels Right"



Granted it went down with the overall collapse of Disco and not any failure of the band itself. Looks like they may still exist in some capacity.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
39. Oh hell YES
Mon May 28, 2018, 08:04 PM
May 2018

I bought the remastered "Deluxe" versions of the first two albums, with Hagar. Both CDs feature complete concerts, originally broadcast on KSAN. The first album, in particular, took the top off of my head.

I followed Ronnie's career through all of its various configurations. Wasn't a fan of vocalist Bob James (Hagar's replacement). Loved Gamma 1, 2, and 4. On Gamma 3, he relinquished too much control to Mitchell Froom...it's keyboard / synth-heavy.

He also had a number of solo albums that were amazing.

Not sure if you heard last year's 10x10...it was an album-in-progress finished after Ronnie's death by Ricky Phillips. From Amazon:



Before his untimely death in 2012, renowned American rock guitarist Ronnie Montrose began recording an ambitious passion project with bassist Ricky Phillips (Styx, Bad English) and drummer Eric Singer (Kiss, Alice Cooper). The idea was to record 10 songs with 10 different singers and call the album 10X10. Sadly, Montrose was unable to see the album through during his lifetime. Instead, Phillips made it his mission to finish the songs by enlisting a small army of Ronnie’s musician friends to record the vocals and the guitar solos for each song, completing the album in recent years.


Phillips says the songs represent some of Montrose’s best work. “His songs still have the fire and angst of a young rebel, but with some added wisdom and foresight voiced in his own unique language of ‘guitar-speak.’ On 10X10, we hear Ronnie at the top of his game, from the opening crunch guitar of ‘Heavy Traffic,’ all the way to the closing song, ‘I’m Not Lying,’ which was Ronnie’s tip of the hat to his friend Robin Trower.”
10x10 features inspired pairings, like Deep Purple singer Glenn Hughes with Def Leppard guitarist Phil Collen (“Still Singin’ With The Band”) and singer Sammy Hagar with Toto guitarist Steve Lukather (“Color Blind”). Legendary blues guitarist Joe Bonamassa also showcases his guitar talents on the track “The Kingdom’s Come Undone” with Ricky Phillips on vocals. A few artists both sing and play, like Edgar Winter (“Love Is An Art”) and Tommy Shaw (“Strong Enough”).

https://www.amazon.com/10X10-Ronnie-Montrose/dp/B074HJM7Z5


Ferrets are Cool

(21,104 posts)
36. Not as much "flamed out" as the "other" thing...but
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:54 PM
May 2018

Blind Melon. I still love "the bumblebee girl" song. (Yes, I know the name of it)

BeyondGeography

(39,351 posts)
37. Most of them
Mon May 28, 2018, 07:58 PM
May 2018

If they were lucky enough to have two. And sometimes, one of the great ones is a live album, like Rare Earth and Steppenwolf.

muntrv

(14,505 posts)
38. Eddie Kendrick and Bobby Brown.
Mon May 28, 2018, 08:02 PM
May 2018

Both had strong starts to their solo careers, but could not sustain follow up success..

KPN

(15,638 posts)
47. Thunderclap Newman. They might have had
Mon May 28, 2018, 08:47 PM
May 2018

more than one album, but I can't remember anything other than the one I had back in the early 70's. Kind of funky rock, but good stuff at the time.

hibbing

(10,095 posts)
48. First thought...Soul Asylum
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:23 PM
May 2018

Grave Dancers Union had some sappy pop songs and one real rocker song with 99% . I never did check out any others by them though, maybe some other good stuff I out there.

Peace

yonder

(9,659 posts)
55. Ooh, that reminds me of another: Hearts and Flowers
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:04 PM
May 2018

with Bernie Leadon before The Eagles, hell before the Flying Burrito Brothers. It has covers of Tim Hardin's "Reason to Believe" (think Rod Stewart) and Carol King's "Road to Nowhere". It was before it's time, too IMO. Some good songs and a definite California production sound. Good, almost Byrds-like harmonies as well.

yonder

(9,659 posts)
63. So just for fun, I dug up the Carole King version of Road to Nowhere.
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:59 PM
May 2018

I've never heard it before. Holy Cow, gave me goose bumps! What a haunting song. I guess it was written by her husband, Gerry Goffin. Not bad for mid-60's


Fiendish Thingy

(15,555 posts)
52. The Like
Mon May 28, 2018, 09:32 PM
May 2018

They made an unimpressive emo-ish album while the members were still in High School, then a few years later, with a couple of new members, made one of the greatest power pop albums ever, produced by Mark "Uptown Funk" Ronson, "Release Me" :



Less than a year later, just as the album was drawing national attention, lead singer Z Berg left to join her boyfriend's band, and that was the end of the Like...

I feel blessed to have seen them play a kick ass set of the whole album in a tiny club (really just the foyer to a restaurant) in Santa Cruz, CA.

What could have been...

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
73. That's a great song
Tue May 29, 2018, 04:26 PM
May 2018

would have loved to see them live - and longer. They remind me a little of Wild Flag but I would like to think it was more than for the fact they are both all-female bands.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
57. Does Alanis Morissette count as a band?
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:13 PM
May 2018

Edit to Add: Also Sheryl Crow if we are counting individual artists.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
68. I started the thread because I was listening to Quicksilver's "Happy Trails"...
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:56 AM
May 2018

...and was thinking of bands, but yeah, individual performers should also be part of the conversation.

I thought of Morissette and Crow as "vibe" performers...I never really got behind their vibe.

It's like Stevie Nicks, you have to get behind that vibe, or not. I read a piece on Rolling Stone the other day...Stevie basically comes right out and says "Here's my vibe, take it or leave it."

In the male realm of performers, it reminds me of Lou Reed. There's a song, and there's a freight train of attitude behind it, and if you're up for the attitude, cool. And if you're not, you need to think about getting off the tracks. I own everything Lou recorded but I listen to him "selectively" because sometime the vibe is laid on so thick that I can't find the vibe.

One more performer I'd mention here is Joan Osbourne. Her "What If God Was One Of Us" hit just as big as the aforementioned performers, and then she was "gone," although "gone" in her case means her career continued somewhat off the grid, includinga tenure with Phil Lesh & Friends:



 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
69. Gotcha
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:57 AM
May 2018

I have to say those first albums by Alanis and Crow were pretty impressive and they definitely captured a moment in time - nothing that followed quite lived up to that, in my mind.

yonder

(9,659 posts)
61. Got one more: The Electric Prunes
Mon May 28, 2018, 10:36 PM
May 2018

they don't qualify for the OP's wish for spectacular albums though. kinda sucked

thanks for this thread Miles Archer

lastlib

(23,168 posts)
64. Jimmie Spheeris...!
Tue May 29, 2018, 12:08 AM
May 2018

He didn't really flame out, but was killed by a drunk driver while riding his motorcycle. Though he did several albums, most acclaimed is his first, "Isle of View," which produced these two gems:



"For I am the Mercury, light of the morning,
Looking for shelter in this thunder and this rain...."




"The Nest"

AWESOME talent. Gone FAR too soon, like so many others!

miyazaki

(2,239 posts)
65. The Outfield, and Big Country
Tue May 29, 2018, 01:27 AM
May 2018

Both of their first studio albums were amazing. Not one bad song on any of them. Their following releases weren't really that bad either and had some more incredible songs on them, but never had the impact. Big Country's live show in Scotland on their Final Fling dvd is one of the best video concerts i've ever seen.

Alas the lead songwriter/performers from both bands died early, one from suicide.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
67. I remember both bands very well
Tue May 29, 2018, 07:47 AM
May 2018

"Voices Of Babylon" was one of those songs that screamed "Eighties" to me:



I knew all of the Big Country hits, but my favorite had to be "Where The Rose Is Sown."



One more band that I think needs to be mentioned in the same context is The Alarm...they were a little too close to U2 for some, but they had some solid songs, especially this one (which really, really, really sounds like U2):



 

Henry Krinkle

(208 posts)
71. The Sex Pistols
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:11 PM
May 2018

"It's better to burn out than to fade away"

As far as bands go, probably the best example out there of a band headed for self destruction
from the very beginning.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
72. I listened to the final show live on San Francisco's KSAN
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:16 PM
May 2018

The last words Johnny Rotten said as he left the stage were "Ever feel like you've been cheated?"



I was a big fan...at the time, there were a couple of tiny, hole-in-the-wall record stores in Palo Alto CA which regularly got in import singles. Each of the Pistols' singles had an unreleased B-side. I made it my mission to collect them all, and I did.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
74. Well damn.
Tue May 29, 2018, 04:27 PM
May 2018

Now I'm not gonna be happy until I do too. Which will most likely be much tougher all these years later.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
75. The "God Save The Queen" single got me started...
Tue May 29, 2018, 04:41 PM
May 2018


...it has a song on the "B" side called "Did You No Wrong." I was / am a big Mott The Hoople and Ian Hunter fan. When I first heard it on the radio I thought it was Hunter.



Unless you want the actual vinyl 45s. the B-sides ended up on the 2012 2-CD release of "Bollocks."

13. "No Feeling" (B-Side of A&M God Save the Queen)
14. "Did You No Wrong" (B-Side of Virgin God Save the Queen)
15. "No Fun" (B-Side of Pretty Vacant)
16. "Satellite" (B-Side of Holidays in the Sun)

Disc 2 features live tracks from 1977 (Happy House, Stockholm, Sweden, 28 July 28, 1977 and Penzance, Winter Gardens, Cornwall, 1 September 1, 1977)

bif

(22,685 posts)
79. The MC5.
Wed May 30, 2018, 11:30 PM
May 2018

Their first album was killer. Recorded live at the Grande Ballroom in Detroit. The next two albums were okay, but lacked the pure energy the first one had. One of the greatest bands to see live in the history of rock and roll. Kick out the jams, motherfuckers!

DFW

(54,302 posts)
83. Wolverlei (nothing ever matched "Wind Tegen")
Thu May 31, 2018, 02:02 PM
May 2018

Last edited Thu May 31, 2018, 04:57 PM - Edit history (1)

Actually, this could have been on the top 100 of the year 1610.

If you want to spend 22 delightful minutes in a time machine and go back 400 years to a time in the Netherlands where water was everywhere, food and shelter were nowhere, and survival was anything but a sure thing, this is a must. This what you might have expected of a band of traveling minstrels who had access to some modern acoustic instruments, trying to entertain townspeople and farmers for a few scraps of food.

mpcamb

(2,868 posts)
86. Single album. 2 really good songs and a lotta ok others. David and David.
Thu May 31, 2018, 05:43 PM
May 2018

L.A. guys. Try these two if it's your first time around:




If you like it:
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