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Why we must keep the Oxford comma alive (Original Post) packman May 2018 OP
+ 100% bigbrother05 May 2018 #1
Preach. Iggo May 2018 #2
Oxford commas for life! Codeine May 2018 #3
No compunction! Xipe Totec May 2018 #10
Compuntuation, Mark? CCExile May 2018 #17
You didn't have to make a argument for me rock May 2018 #4
Good point Sanity Claws May 2018 #5
"The Best Shots Fired in the Oxford Comma Wars" sl8 May 2018 #6
Thank you, saved me time empedocles May 2018 #9
Con example shows that ambiguous syntax is not necessarily clarified by 4dog May 2018 #18
Yep. Iggo May 2018 #20
Thanks ProfessorGAC May 2018 #29
it is ingrained in my head. i couldnt lose it, even if i tried. mopinko May 2018 #7
Love the Oxford comma. Polly Hennessey May 2018 #8
I fail to see what Nelson Mandela's age or sexual kinks have to do with this. n/t whopis01 May 2018 #11
k and r niyad May 2018 #12
Didn't know it was called the Oxford comma, but that's my writing style as I'm Old School :-) iluvtennis May 2018 #13
Here's a plea for the comma in direct addresses jayschool2013 May 2018 #14
In a coma, I will continue to support the Oxford comma! kairos12 May 2018 #15
Vampire Weekend said it best ToxMarz May 2018 #16
The third example is TMI. Quemado May 2018 #19
It's kind of like the discussion of the habits of the panda, who The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #21
which also happens to be a fun book on punctuation womanofthehills Jun 2018 #33
I didn't know that about Nelson Mandela. Ron Obvious May 2018 #22
I myself am a huge fan, and always have been RandomAccess May 2018 #23
Definitely serves a purpose!! ailsagirl May 2018 #24
I'm An Obsessive User RobinA May 2018 #25
Yes! Thank you, thank you, thank you! raging moderate May 2018 #26
,,,,,,,,,! PJMcK May 2018 #27
Let's eat Grandma! krispos42 May 2018 #28
Some MLA standards are OK, others suck. Nothing like changing your paper structure each year :-/ TheBlackAdder May 2018 #30
There are some exceptions. But the Oxford tends to increase clarity. malthaussen May 2018 #31
Use the comma and save $$$Millions$$$! Totally Tunsie May 2018 #32
After years of peace, the punctuation wars started anew. Yavin4 Jun 2018 #34
God wouldn't go any where near Ayn Rand. Yavin4 Jun 2018 #35

sl8

(13,664 posts)
6. "The Best Shots Fired in the Oxford Comma Wars"
Tue May 29, 2018, 11:13 AM
May 2018
http://mentalfloss.com/article/33637/best-shots-fired-oxford-comma-wars

The Best Shots Fired in the Oxford Comma Wars

BY ARIKA OKRENT
JANUARY 22, 2013

The Oxford comma, so-called because the Oxford University Press style guidelines require it, is the comma before the conjunction at the end of a list. If your preferred style is to omit the second comma in "red, white, and blue," you are aligned with the anti-Oxford comma faction. The pro-Oxford comma faction is more vocal and numerous in the US, while in the UK, anti-Oxford comma reigns. (Oxford University is an outsider, style-wise, in its own land.) In the US, book and magazine publishers are generally pro, while newspapers are anti, but both styles can be found in both media.

The two main rationales for choosing one style over the other are clarity and economy. Each side has invoked both rationales in its favor. Here are some quotes that have served as shots exchanged in the Oxford comma wars.

Pro: "She took a photograph of her parents, the president, and the vice president."
This example from the Chicago Manual of Style shows how the comma is necessary for clarity. Without it, she is taking a picture of two people, her mother and father, who are the president and vice president. With it, she is taking a picture of four people.

Con: "Those at the ceremony were the commodore, the fleet captain, the donor of the cup, Mr. Smith, and Mr. Jones."
This example from the 1934 style book of the New York Herald Tribune shows how a comma before "and" can result in a lack of clarity. With the comma, it reads as if Mr. Smith was the donor of the cup, which he was not.

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More at link.

4dog

(502 posts)
18. Con example shows that ambiguous syntax is not necessarily clarified by
Tue May 29, 2018, 12:55 PM
May 2018

use or nonuse of that comma.

ProfessorGAC

(64,827 posts)
29. Thanks
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:53 AM
May 2018

I was not buying the reasoning for the "con" rating. The sentence is confusing no matter how many commas one adds.

mopinko

(69,984 posts)
7. it is ingrained in my head. i couldnt lose it, even if i tried.
Tue May 29, 2018, 11:15 AM
May 2018

it took me a long time to figure out this debate, because to me that comma is just obvious, and like any other comma.

jayschool2013

(2,311 posts)
14. Here's a plea for the comma in direct addresses
Tue May 29, 2018, 12:20 PM
May 2018

Macy's commands you to "Welcome Back Students!"

Macy's greets students with "Welcome Back, Students!"

Of course, they got it wrong.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,578 posts)
21. It's kind of like the discussion of the habits of the panda, who
Tue May 29, 2018, 02:05 PM
May 2018

...eats shoots and leaves, or
...eats shoots, and leaves or
...eats, shoots, and leaves.

RobinA

(9,884 posts)
25. I'm An Obsessive User
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:22 AM
May 2018

I always used the Oxford comma...at least most of the time. It just made the writing flow a little better to me. I was writing a paper in an undergraduate class that I was taking for my own enrichment, I already had my BS, and was in a "using it" mood. The professor, who would always pick on people's papers on arcane grammatical issues, sometimes wrongly, took a red pen to all my Oxford commas. I knew that the comma was a matter of preference and took strong exception to his red penning my perfectly valid choice to use it. Ever since I use it all the time, all the while thinking, "Take THAT, Professor Greenfield." That guy pissed me off in so many ways.

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
26. Yes! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:34 AM
May 2018

Grammar is logic in action. When I entered graduate school, I was shocked by the poor grammar used by many of my fellow graduate students.

PJMcK

(21,988 posts)
27. ,,,,,,,,,!
Wed May 30, 2018, 08:39 AM
May 2018

Long live the Oxford comma.

And let's not forget the much-maligned semi-colon. It's a wonderful tool in the writer's arsenal.

TheBlackAdder

(28,163 posts)
30. Some MLA standards are OK, others suck. Nothing like changing your paper structure each year :-/
Wed May 30, 2018, 10:57 AM
May 2018

.

But, MLA, APA, Strunk & White and most others mandate the serial (Oxford) comma.


Eff the haters!

Oxford Commas Forever!

.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
31. There are some exceptions. But the Oxford tends to increase clarity.
Wed May 30, 2018, 11:07 AM
May 2018

If it tends toward confusion, it shouldn't be used. I do not think the rule should be inflexible.

-- Mal

Totally Tunsie

(10,885 posts)
32. Use the comma and save $$$Millions$$$!
Thu May 31, 2018, 09:32 PM
May 2018

[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/us/oxford-comma-lawsuit.html?_r=0|

Re: Oakhurst Dairy, Portland, ME

"The debate over commas is often a pretty inconsequential one, but it was anything but for the truck drivers. Note the lack of Oxford comma — also known as the serial comma — in the following state law, which says overtime rules do not apply to:


The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing for shipment or distribution of:

(1) Agricultural produce;

(2) Meat and fish products; and

(3) Perishable foods.

Does the law intend to exempt the distribution of the three categories that follow, or does it mean to exempt packing for the shipping or distribution of them?"

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