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Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:32 PM

Just had a patient from our substance abuse treatment center decline his vaccines because

"It's against my religion!"

He was in for IV heroin and meth use and had enough tattoo ink in him to print a Bible.

If his religion permits tattoos and drug use, but prohibits vaccines, I wonder what his religion is, and if maybe he should choose a new one...

Fun and games with anti-vaxxers...

(BTW, I convinced him to get his immunizations...)

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Reply Just had a patient from our substance abuse treatment center decline his vaccines because (Original post)
Aristus Jan 2019 OP
CaliforniaPeggy Jan 2019 #1
Aristus Jan 2019 #2
ailsagirl Jan 2019 #3
Aristus Jan 2019 #5
SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #26
leftieNanner Jan 2019 #4
Aristus Jan 2019 #6
leftieNanner Jan 2019 #7
Aristus Jan 2019 #8
leftieNanner Jan 2019 #10
Aristus Jan 2019 #11
3catwoman3 Jan 2019 #28
leftieNanner Jan 2019 #30
NNadir Jan 2019 #14
leftieNanner Jan 2019 #25
akraven Jan 2019 #9
violetpastille Jan 2019 #12
akraven Jan 2019 #13
customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #15
ck4829 Jan 2019 #16
Aristus Jan 2019 #17
RobinA Jan 2019 #18
zanana1 Jan 2019 #19
duhneece Jan 2019 #20
In_The_Wind Jan 2019 #21
Aristus Jan 2019 #22
In_The_Wind Jan 2019 #23
Aristus Jan 2019 #24
oregonjen Jan 2019 #27
3catwoman3 Jan 2019 #29
RobinA Jan 2019 #31
geralmar Jan 2019 #32
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dalton99a Jan 2019 #33

Response to Aristus (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:39 PM

1. I just wonder how rational this man is.

Sounds like not very!

Good for you, persuading him to get them anyway!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:45 PM

2. I just told him: "If you don't get your flu shot, I can't approve you for admission."

Which is the truth. For the next month, he's going to be in a communal setting, with common eating, sleeping, and daily living arrangements. Infectious disease's favorite environment.

He replied: "OKAY! FUCK it! I'll get them!"

Real strong religious conviction there...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:49 PM

3. Enjoy your three-day weekend, Aristus!

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Response to ailsagirl (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:53 PM

5. You too, ailsagirl!

I'm taking my Smirnoff Green Apple Vodka for a test spin later tonight. I'll post a thread about it...



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Response to Aristus (Reply #5)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 04:14 PM

26. I'll have one too!! Ha, just kidding! I admire your abilities in handling these people!! Take ...

care!!

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:52 PM

4. I volunteer at an organization with a woman who's an anti-vaxxer

And she truly believes that if she feeds her family all organic food and mostly vegetables, then they don't need to be vaccinated for anything. The stupid. It hurts.

I'm 66 and remember when the first Polio vaccine came out and our mothers couldn't get us to the school cafeteria quickly enough to get those sugar cubes. I had a friend in kindergarten who had polio (she obviously recovered), but this is nuts. Previously nearly eradicated diseases are coming back because of these idiots.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:54 PM

6. It's frustrating, isn't it?

What kind of volunteer work do you do?

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Response to Aristus (Reply #6)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 07:58 PM

7. I work at a horse rescue sanctuary

It's the most wonderful barn on the planet! We have 56 horses on the property currently - everything from ponies to Percherons. Some of the stories are horrific, but the recovery and forgiveness of humans is incredible. So I do chores and get to love on some pretty wonderful animals. If you are interested in any more, here is the website:

www.equamore.org

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #7)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:04 PM

8. Thank you.

I'll take a look.

I hadn't realized that there were horse rescue and sanctuary organizations. Although it makes sense. I know the racing industry chews up horses and spits them out. And there are probably a lot of bad owners out there, too...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #8)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:21 PM

10. Oh, you have no idea!

I have seen horses starved, abused, and abandoned. The ones who have been physically abused (we have a gelding who came to us as a mis-handled stallion who had been beaten with a baseball bat) are sometimes the most challenging. We currently have three horses where the vet told the owners to euthanize them because they were dangerous. And you know what? All three of them are now happy, friendly horses. They were given everything a horse needs - space, shelter, good food, a herd, and kind people. One gray gelding put a farrier in the hospital and now he is so gentle, we let children groom him. We now only take the worst cases who have no other options for life. And we never adopt any of our horses out. Once an Equamore horse, always an Equamore horse.

There are generally 170,000 unwanted horses in the US every year. Thoroughbreds (racing) and Quarter Horses (rodeo) are the most common breeds that are thrown in the garbage. They usually end up getting shipped over the border to Canada or Mexico to be slaughtered for meat. Disgusting.

Thoroughbred racing also refers to each year's batch of foals as a "crop", kinda like corn or wheat. And so few of them become Seabiscuit and most of them just become biscuits. People get horses sometimes on a whim, like dogs or cats, but horses can live to their late 20s or early 30s. We actually had one horse live to 42. People don't realize that the horse is now a part of their family and they need to provide for its future. Very complex problem.

Rant off. It is truly my passion. Thank you for asking Aristus! Have a good weekend.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #10)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:25 PM

11. I can't bear to think of innocent animals suffering like that.

I'm glad many of them find happiness and a second chance.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 04:53 PM

28. What noble work, leftieNanner.

I don't think any animals should have to "perform," in any way, for human entertainment. I even find dog shows kind of creepy.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #28)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:12 PM

30. A part of my heart resides in those barns

I just got back from spending a few hours there this afternoon. Groomed Diamond, a huge and sweet grey Percheron who came from a terrible place.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #4)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:16 PM

14. I remember the race for the sugar cubes, the long lines, everyone there.

My mother-in-law was one of the last Americans to get polio.

It's a terrible disease, really. I left her permanently crippled.

There is a syndrome, post-polio syndrome, of which many doctors are today unaware, since the last victims are dying off. It involves terrible pain.

My mother-in-law is dependent on narcotics - given to her in a quasi-nursing home - but she actually needs them. I feel really bad for her.

People forget. The anti-vax crap is insane, but so are a lot of other anti-science beliefs, anti-climate change, anti-nuke, anti-this, anti-that.

My mother and father knew; and she lived in fear of the disease; we stood in line all day to get those Sabin vaccines.

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Response to NNadir (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 04:11 PM

25. I'm sorry for your MIL

Do you think a true resurgence of these terrible diseases will actually convince these people to believe the science?

I don't think my associate would change her mind. Once, after I got my flu shot at the pharmacy, she told me I was going to get mercury poisoning. Then I patiently explained to her that the mercury issue has been addressed as it was originally only used as a preservative (and in a different form from the truly toxic stuff) in the multi-dose vials. The flu shots we get today are single dose. Blah blah blah. Talk to the hand.

Sigh.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:13 PM

9. The stupid. Why is it mostly religion based?

I still have a minimal scar from my original anti-polio vax. It's travelled, of course, as has my skin. So does spouse! We laugh at anti-vaxxers - they'll all die eventually, and usually from what they're against getting vaccinated for.

You did good for this one. You saved one. Thank you!

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Response to akraven (Reply #9)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:49 PM

12. There are no major religions that have anti-vaccination doctrine.

There is "The Dutch Reform Church" but even the Amish and Christian Scientists are pro-vaccination.

https://www.whyimmunize.org/what-religions-actually-state-about-vaccines/

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Response to violetpastille (Reply #12)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:50 PM

13. But the arguments against are almost always fundamentalist.

"God made me this way". I saw it down south, and I hear it here. It's idiocy at best.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:39 PM

15. Good for you

getting this misinformed individual to do the right thing.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 11:25 PM

16. Wait... What?

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 12:02 AM

17. I know, right?

n/t

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 12:48 AM

18. Is This Approach

ethical in your practice area? It wouldn’t be in mental health. Do you tell them if they won’t agree to treatment for their Hep C you won’t refer them?

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Response to RobinA (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 09:17 AM

19. Sorry for being a bummer, but...

Is it right to talk about your patients like this?

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Response to zanana1 (Reply #19)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:01 AM

20. The OP didn't mention any Personal Identifiable Information

Being covered in tatoos, using meth and heroin does not identify anyone personally...probably describes a large fraction of folks in a substance abuse treatment facility. I think it's a fair, legal and ethical post.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 10:41 AM

21. Well done.

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #21)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:04 AM

22. Thank you.

Good morning, I-T-W!

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Response to Aristus (Reply #22)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:15 AM

23. Good morning,Aristus

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Response to In_The_Wind (Reply #23)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:19 AM

24. Feliz Navidad equals Fleas On My Dog?



That's right up there with 'Scuse Me While I Kiss This Guy, Lady Mondegreene, and Secret Asian Man.

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Response to Aristus (Original post)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 06:40 PM

29. I wish I were allowed to be as direct at the pediatric office as you can be...

...your place of work.

There is discussion amongst the 11 practices in our consortium about no longer accepting families who do not immunize, and dismissing those who have not. There is a question of legal liability if a child catches a vaccine-preventable disease from an unimmunized patient while they are sitting in the waiting room. The patients most at risk for this type of contagion are babies who aren't yet old enough to have completed the basic immunization series, or kids on chemo who legitimately cannot be immunized.

It will be interesting to see how this all works out.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #29)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 11:27 PM

31. How Would Anyone Know

if a patient caught a vaccine-preventable illness from an unvaccinated or a vaccinated patient in your waiting room? Or anywhere else, for that matter. It’s not like no flu-vaccinated person ever got the flu.

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Response to geralmar (Reply #32)

Sun Jan 20, 2019, 02:14 AM

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