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(39,343 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)shanny
(6,709 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Yeah. I'm not going to mourn Jaime or Cersei.
Nor do I feel sorry for Tyrion.
muntrv
(14,505 posts)lark
(23,083 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)Cersei and Jaime end as part of a tortured mosaic.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)And Unsullied, for that matter.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)from the Night King?
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)GemDigger
(4,305 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)But she might live - because good does not always prevail. Fair does not always prevail. Justice does not always prevail. What is right does not always prevail.
Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)Touching scene with Tyrion and Jon. Love it when Tyrion talks so frankly.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Probably not though.
Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)The verdict has been made.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)And I do love me some Starks - for their honor.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Basically, you take a stand now before she comes for you too.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)Where is Arya!
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Oh, well.
Or not.
Best to kill him though.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)If Bran can see "everything,". why did he bother to protest being ruler?
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)He sees possible futures based on the past - the present has to lend itself to that future.
He told Jon that Jon was precisely where he needed to be. (in the past)
Daenerys had to seek her "destiny" in her way.
Every character arc along the way had to take a certain path....for turning away from a path changes your future or the future as a whole.
Arya is free from those concepts - she's going where the map stops...to the unknown. (a thought - not a declaration)
The 3 eyed raven beat the dragon with three heads. (a thought - not a declaration)
Ice won. (a thought - not a declaration)
Neither ice nor fire won. (a thought - not a declaration)
Something new was born in the time of Spring. (a thought - not a declaration...though evidence indicates that is so)
A conflict of fire and ice will forever exist inside one person only - until he dies. (Jon - a thought - not a declaration)
Death is a metaphor for ice in that the body grows cold.
The night is colder.
Winter is cold.
The Night King was a living, so to speak, metaphor for ice.
Dragons, a metaphor for fire.
All kinds of examples of fire and ice.
Winter comes and then comes Spring. Rebirth, life - new.
The Archmaester wrote a history - a history that will become an official history one day - that does not even include a pivotal player to those events. (Tyrion)
Knowing that, who knows why anything happened since the writer gets the last word on whether it even happened or not?
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)muntrv
(14,505 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Well, that sucks...mostly.
catbyte
(34,362 posts)get short shrift yet again. The only character that elicited any emotion in me was Drogon.
Yuck.
shanny
(6,709 posts)Wild creatures do not have our penchant for evil.
yellowdogintexas
(22,250 posts)Northward across the wall with Tormund and Ghost.
shanny
(6,709 posts)RandySF
(58,703 posts)Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)I'm with you. This article pretty much sums up how I felt about the end. But at least they didn't kill off Drogon.
http://time.com/5590729/game-of-thrones-finale-daenerys/
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Sansa freed The North. Shes literally the only person who could have accomplished that.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)He's too disengaged to be a King. Monarchs need personality and ambition. In keeping with the gritty realism of the book, the best we could have hoped for is a negotiation among ambitious lords wjo choose either the strongest claimant (Jon Snow, who wasn't trying) or Sansa, as the most politically savvy forms an alliance to back her.
Choosing someone who can't have children virtually guarantees a war for succession when he dies.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Shes a house partisan. Everything she did would be to advance Stark interests. Bran transcends houses, which made him the only universal choice.
Of course there will be war. Its primogeniture, a fucked-up system hat leads to inevitable strife.
marylandblue
(12,344 posts)In their eyes, Bran is a Stark and will always be a Stark. The entire series is based on that, unless you remove yourself from the game entirely. Bran did remove himself, but he came back, and that means he comes back as a Stark.
And if they couldn't agree, they either go to war again or break apart into the original seven kingdoms. Either one would have made sense.
Primogeniture actually does make some sensex which is why it was practiced so widely prior to modern times. It doesn't always produce the best leaders, but who are we to talk about bad leaders?
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)They mentioned that he was last seen flying east, so Bran is going to look for him the only way he knows how. Now, that would be wonderful since he can follow Arya on her quest out west.
I see Jon's and Sansa's arc closed. Wouldn't that be crazy if all this time George R.R. Martin was writing a sequel based on Arya's journey?
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)That's how you know she would live.
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...at least to make sure that dragons don't have their own magic to bring dead people back to life, too.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)And the Wildlings have a new King.
Damn phone. Saying quiet on the phone while typing - or trying to type quite - and got all fucked up.
Baitball Blogger
(46,697 posts)But, yes, once Dany was put down, this was the only way that it could end.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)He can also marry and father children. What's Bran going to do? Invade the North?
I think not.
I'm glad Jon is back with Ghost.
Brienne is Lord Commander of the King's Guard. And she gave Jaime a gift. Writing that he died protecting his queen.
I wouldn't marry Sansa but I'm sure someone will.
Arya - free to be. Can't beat that. No role to play. No norm to uphold. No one's expectations for her.
Why they need a lord of whispers is beyond me - Bran knows all already.
Liberal Veteran
(22,239 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)IADEMO2004
(5,554 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)For Bran
Ayra
Sansa
Tyrion
Jon
Good set up for a sequel.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,323 posts)VOX
(22,976 posts)Even as I type this, I get a lump in my throat. I admit to being a complete sap for such moments. It also confirmed my liking animals more than people!
RandySF
(58,703 posts)That's how most conquests have ended throughout human history. OT, I want an Arya spinoff.
OriginalGeek
(12,132 posts)I said out loud I would totally watch an Arya Stark exploring the west spin-off.
highplainsdem
(48,959 posts)More people wanting to sign that petition to have the entire final season redone.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)and have a toddlers understanding of drama.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)I thought Bran was a weird choice but maybe thats the only way to go. Im terribly sad about Dany but its tragedy. The reduction of ruling to bureaucracy made me laugh. Arya in that ship made me choke up. I never liked Sansa but she got what she wanted.
And Ghost is a good, good boy.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,323 posts)Everyone is a critic.
I have friends who are like that. Can I just enjoy my food before you start in on the critique? Pretty please?
Docreed2003
(16,858 posts)I'm really not sure what the outrage squad wanted or expected.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)but instead received a lesson. Some people dont want to have their presuppositions undermined.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)as they go about their entertainment
LiberalArkie
(15,708 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)And no shortcuts either. Write like it was meant to be written.
In case he's surfing about.
exboyfil
(17,862 posts)Where they loading the boats to ship the Dothraki back. How many Unsullied took up the offer of lands. Wildlings also head back home. I can't see how Grey Worm was reserved on Danys murder. You would think they would go wild.
MuseRider
(34,104 posts)I am very happy with this ending. I am not sure this is what GRRM would do, kinda happy mostly but I liked it. I was mostly happy that when we saw Robyn Arryn he was not with a wet nurse (never sure he would ever grow out of that).
I can live with this easily if we never get the rest of the books. I sure hope we do. I much preferred the books but the actors made the show so very pleasant and enjoyable.
Yup, good with this. Great story with some hiccups but wow was it beautifully done all around. I am glad I read and watched this show.
tenderfoot
(8,425 posts)F*** your Iron f%#@ing Throne!!!
ansible
(1,718 posts)No wonder why all the actors were pissed.
kimbutgar
(21,111 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Yeah he'd make it a fucking travesty.
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)As an always Team Stark person.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,863 posts)Link to tweet
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Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)I had a sad.
But now - love it!
Thank you!!
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)So sweet.
and funny.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)nocoincidences
(2,218 posts)because the whole thing ended with a whimper, no bang at all.
It was like a great speech that just ended with the speaker mumbling platitudes and wandering offstage because they can't think of an ending that is worthy of the quality of what they have been saying. They run out of steam before the game is over.
I found myself thinking the exact lines of dialog before people said them, they were so trite.
Love is the death of Duty....I mean REALLY?
We had a right to expect more, to expect better.
We got ho-hum.
Thank the Goddess Chernobyl is on tonight. Now that is worth watching, even if we know the ending.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Although I was a bit disappointed to learn that Emily Watsons bold, can-do character is fictitious, representing an amalgam of multiple scientists.
But its a small thing, and doesnt detract from the impact of the narrative.
nocoincidences
(2,218 posts)that we learn the real truth about Fukushima.
I followed that closely as it was happening and not for a second do I believe the horseshit spouted by Tepco and the bought-off doctors claiming nobody died/got cancer/got sick.
EW is definitely a great character in the show, and I am sure there were heroic scientists trying to tell the truth who took a long holiday in beautiful Siberia.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Its a sweeping generalization to say this, but the Russians have proven themselves, time and again, to be an incredibly brutal people. And they still are when it comes to human rights and personal freedom. Which is why 45s bromance with Putin is so extremely foolhardy and naive.
With you on Fukushima, the real extent of that disaster needs some serious explanation.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Paladin
(28,246 posts)I'm just not that much of a Sword n' Sorcery kind of guy. And the widespread whining over the series ending has gotten beyond tiresome. We've got a destructive madman in the White House---how about we deal with the genuine terrors of real life? trump is a damned sight scarier than any computer-generated dragons you've been tuning in to watch on Sunday nights.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)of somehow not being engaged in the real world fights--especially Trump. That is just condescending as hell. I'm sure you have hobbies or family or SOMETHING that occupies your time BESIDES the ongoing political fights.
Paladin
(28,246 posts)I'm happier than ever that I gave up on the series, early-on.
And I'm not "begruding" anybody anything. I reserve the right to express my opinions as I damn well please, and I have no problem with you doing the same.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)of holding multiple thoughts in their heads. If you find yourself limited to one thats not our problem.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)I had expected either Jon or Daenerys to die. When it was Dany, I figured Jon might end up in the Night's Watch.
Didn't think Bran would end up King.
Got emotional when the Starks were all saying good bye to each other at the end and then when Jon reunited with Ghost.
Bran is still young, so should have decades to rule as king - maybe he becomes the new Brandon the Builder?
Liked the small council at the end with Sam, Brienne, Bronn, Davos and Tyrion. Davos and Ser Barristan were maybe my two favorite overall characters from the books.
Does Sansa end up marrying a northern Lord or will she marry somebody from the 6 Kingdoms? I can't see her with Bronn, and Gendry is probably still pining for Arya... Robin Arryn is probably still a little boy to Sansa. Edmure Tully is her uncle.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)Unites the free-folk and the northmen and has some kickass ginger children to rule them all!!!
Then decides to free Jon and names him Warden of the Lands of Always Winter, where he finds Ygritte's long lost twin sister, who also knows nothing...match made in heaven...
See? All of you complaining about the writing...just LOOK how much worse it COULD have been if a real hack like me was given control!!! LOL!!!
Yavin4
(35,432 posts)I feel like I was taken advantage of. The end was an insult to the people working on the project as well as its many fans. D&D were in a rush to finish so that they could turn their attention to their new Stars Wars trilogy. Fuck them. I will personally boycott any new venture that they do.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)and whoever created her costumes, especially the past two seasons, did right by her in creating such a strong imposing figure from someone so small of stature. Costuming and cinematography have always been exceptional for GOT, but has only gotten better.
Ditto with Arya and her costumes, who remains my favorite female character and an overall favorite all around.
Goodheart
(5,318 posts)I mean... what was the point of all the political intrigue when a DRAGON with unlimited firepower can destroy everything? Or when a vapor can come out of somebody's vagina and kill a king?
White Walkers? LOL. Gimme a break. Tolkien >>>> Martin.
hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)Goodheart
(5,318 posts)hlthe2b
(102,197 posts)Daenerys fate is the biggest Game of Thrones plot hole
Game of Thrones is over, and Daenerys Targaryen is dead. But is she?
Before you roll your eyes, fans of the show love conspiracy theories about characters not truly being dead. Plenty thought Jaime and Cersei Lannister somehow managed to escape a castle falling on them in Season 8s The Bells, until we saw their bodies in the series finale. --snip--
But whether or not the writers intended this, the ending of the story is ambiguous. Sure, Jon stabbed her. Shes definitely dead. Still, theres a major plot hole, and thats the existence of Red Priests. Its been established that they have the power to resurrect people see Jon Snow and Beric Dondarrion. Its also been established that theyre just as interested in Daenerys as they were in Jon. Remember in Season 6, when Red Priestess Kinvara (Ania Bukstein) showed up to establish that shes all in on Team Dany?
That scene was never revisited, and Kinvara has not shown up again. Its also never been mentioned that shes dead so shes still out there somewhere in Essos. --snip--
If Game of Thrones wanted us to stop considering resurrection, it needed to kill the Red Priests. And it didnt do that. It also didnt destroy Danys body, but rather had her dragon fly her away.
Whats to stop him from taking her to Kinvara?
So there ya go... For some, "hope" springs eternal.