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packman

(16,296 posts)
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:04 PM Aug 2019

For today's English lessons - Why do we speak the way we do?


It can be shocking to realize that we are able to follow rules that no one ever taught us explicitly. But that’s what most of language is: Not the little things that textbooks tell us we’re getting wrong, but the solid ones we always get right. Non-native speakers, however, might get them wrong, and that gives us a good opportunity to get a peek at the rules we don’t otherwise notice.


1. WHY “MY BROTHER’S CAR” AND NOT “THE CAR OF MY BROTHER”
2. WHY ABSO-FREAKIN’-LUTELY AND NOT ABSOLUTE-FREAKIN’-LY
3. WHY “WHAT DID YOU SAY THAT HE ATE?” AND NOT “WHAT DID YOU MUMBLE THAT HE ATE?”
4. WHY “I CHEERED UP MY FRIEND” AND NOT “I CHEERED UP HER”

Open up your textbooks to the following lessons:

http://extragoodshit.phlap.net/4-more-unofficial-rules-native-english-speakers-dont-realize-they-know/#more-517700
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For today's English lessons - Why do we speak the way we do? (Original Post) packman Aug 2019 OP
I always get a chuckle when a non native speaker says something a bit "off" mitch96 Aug 2019 #1
Ho hum... I finally had one teacher in high school who admitted that abqtommy Aug 2019 #2
"presenters on the BBC NEWS " mitch96 Aug 2019 #5
Received Pronunciation geardaddy Aug 2019 #8
Yea, that too!! ;) mitch96 Aug 2019 #10
Nah, it's not the language, it's how it comes out of their mouths! abqtommy Aug 2019 #9
We call it The King of Prussia Aug 2019 #12
I love stuff like this! 3catwoman3 Aug 2019 #3
That was a fun article. Control-Z Aug 2019 #4
You just ruined Borat for millions of people... Wounded Bear Aug 2019 #6
I also love the rule about the order of adjectives The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 2019 #7
As a third generation Franco-American, I say... zanana1 Aug 2019 #11

mitch96

(13,872 posts)
1. I always get a chuckle when a non native speaker says something a bit "off"
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 03:40 PM
Aug 2019

"May be into helping you please" always got me.
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abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
2. Ho hum... I finally had one teacher in high school who admitted that
Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:38 PM
Aug 2019

when it comes to language, and specifically English in any form, including spoken, written, facial expressions and body positions, THERE ARE NO RULES. I find that I understand almost all of the English I hear being used and that's what language is for, communication. The major exception is some of the presenters I see on the BBC NEWS whose accents are so thick I don't understand what they're saying and am glad to have the video so I have a clue.

mitch96

(13,872 posts)
5. "presenters on the BBC NEWS "
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:53 AM
Aug 2019

I've heard it called "BBC english" or like what the Queen speaks.. Received English..
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Wounded Bear

(58,605 posts)
6. You just ruined Borat for millions of people...
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:04 AM
Aug 2019


The fact is, we learn our speaking skills by listening to those around us, not from classrooms or books. Native speakers suffered through all of the embarrassing gaffes as children. Non-natives and newcomers have to go through the learning pains as adults.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,615 posts)
7. I also love the rule about the order of adjectives
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:10 AM
Aug 2019

that I didn't know was a rule but that I've always followed anyhow. It's quantity or number; quality or opinion; size; age; shape; color; proper adjective (place of origin or material); purpose or qualifier. So: One small-handed six-foot 72-year-old round orange American faux-presidential baby-man. Mix up those adjectives and the description sounds as wrong as its subject, e.g.: One faux-presidential American orange small-handed six-foot round 72-year-old baby-man doesn't have quite the same zip to it.

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