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Collimator

(1,639 posts)
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 09:59 PM Jan 2021

What Would You Swear Upon?

The talk of Harris being sworn into office on Marshall's Bible made me think.

I am not a Christian. I have read the Bible closely and while I do believe there is beauty and inspiration to be found in its pages, I no longer ascribe any sacred significance to it.

If I needed to swear an oath to my country, I would rather place my hand on my grandmother's naturalization certificate. It is the formal acknowledgement of her journey to become an American. Even though it uses the phrase, "in the Year of Our Lord", it also uses the words, " in the [insert number here] Year of Our Independence" and that gives me chills.

Maybe I am thinking about it right now because I have lost a lot of pride in my country under Trump's regime. Wednesday, January 6, 2021 in particular has knocked a lot of the pride and faith right out of me.

Anyway, putting aside my own feelings, if you were to be sworn into office, what object--if any--would you choose to be the visual symbol of your oath?

Oh, by the way, Jefferson's Bible does come to mind. And didn't he also own a Koran that a Muslim congressperson used for his oath?

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What Would You Swear Upon? (Original Post) Collimator Jan 2021 OP
Nothing PJMcK Jan 2021 #1
none and it wouldnt be so help me god either nt msongs Jan 2021 #2
Not religious but I have my father's Bible from WWII, maybe that. dem4decades Jan 2021 #3
I think I'd go with these True Dough Jan 2021 #4
LOL Catcar Jan 2021 #7
ROFL!!!!! 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2021 #9
I wouldn't swear at all. Note that all mentions of swearing also say "or affirm". This goes back.. TreasonousBastard Jan 2021 #5
The Constitution. Or The Old Man and the Sea. Catcar Jan 2021 #6
Affirm on a copy of the Constitution exboyfil Jan 2021 #8
One of my parents' wedding photos, since they're the reason I'd be there. 50 Shades Of Blue Jan 2021 #10
Another for the Constitution. Baked Potato Jan 2021 #11
Definitely the Constitution. IMHO, that should have replaced the Bible Marie Marie Jan 2021 #12
Constitution and Declaration of Independence. lastlib Jan 2021 #14
i'd make a pinky promise orleans Jan 2021 #13
The Constitution. No Bibles, No Korans, No 'holy books'. GoneOffShore Jan 2021 #15
I'd give my lick and a promise on dark chocolate. Solly Mack Jan 2021 #16
Being a Quaker, I wouldn't. (n/t) derby378 Jan 2021 #17
I wouldn't, I know Floyd R. Turbo Jan 2021 #18

PJMcK

(21,995 posts)
1. Nothing
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jan 2021

If I were elected president, I would raise my right hand and take the oath. A Bible is an irrelevancy since I'm an atheist.

That probably means that I would never have to make that decision!

Well, that and the fact that I'm a life-long pothead!

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
5. I wouldn't swear at all. Note that all mentions of swearing also say "or affirm". This goes back..
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 10:08 PM
Jan 2021

to English law in at least the 1600s when Quakers and others had religious objections to swearing to a deity.

These days it is not as big a deal as back then, but our founders were well aware of the question and included affirmation as an alternative to swearing.

So, as a non-practicing Quaker, and current UU and general non-believer I would (and have) simply said "I affirm".

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
8. Affirm on a copy of the Constitution
Sat Jan 16, 2021, 10:11 PM
Jan 2021

My faith is my own. My allegiance is to my country. I would affirm that allegiance.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
12. Definitely the Constitution. IMHO, that should have replaced the Bible
Sun Jan 17, 2021, 12:23 AM
Jan 2021

for any one taking an oath of office years ago.

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